Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Sgt Kelli Mays
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/04/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-should-americans-be-able-to-own-machine-guns/

I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
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Page 2 has a pretty good definition of terms.

Although most crime is not committed with guns, most gun crime is committed with handguns. pages 1 & 2
Although most available guns are not used in crime, information about the 223 million guns available to the general public provides a context for evaluating criminal preferences for guns. page 2
By definition, stolen guns are available to criminals. The FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) stolen gun file contains over 2 million reports; 60% are reports of stolen handguns. page 3
In 1994, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) received over 85,132 requests from
law enforcement agencies for traces of guns used in crime. Over three quarters of the guns traced by the ATF in 1994 were handguns (mostly pistols), and almost a third were less than 3 years old. page 4
Surveys of inmates show that they prefer concealable, large caliber guns. Juvenile offenders appear to
be more likely to possess guns than adults. page 5
Studies of the guns used in homicides show that large caliber revolvers are the most frequent type of gun used in homicides, but the number of large caliber semiautomatic guns used in murders is increasing. page 5
Little information exists about the use of assault weapons in crime. The information that does exist uses varying definitions of assault weapons that were developed before the Federal assault weapons ban was enacted.
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
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Let's start with why it's legal to own one with the "well regulated militia"(regulated was a term applied to equipage not organization), the militia is not the National Guard. American men are supposed to be able to take up arms in defense of the country and provide their own weapons and ammunition that are comparable to military arms. As far as reasons to own one, they are a lot of fun to shoot, much like owning a car that can go faster than 70mph. You don't really need it but it's something you want to have. You also might want to look into how many crimes have been committed using a legally owned machine gun. The Bureau of Justice Statistics provides an excellent PDF. Anyone with any real experience with automatic weapons, knows that full auto fire is notoriously inaccurate. A question in regard to drivebys, what would the death toll be if the shooter were taking aimed shots? Machine guns are exceedingly expensive, and difficult to obtain, thanks to legislation supported by the NRA like the National Firearms Act, Gun Control Act, and Gun Owners Protection Act. In addition to the cost, you must also pay a tax stamp fee, and wait three to six months for an ATF background check, and obtain your local chief law enforcement officer signature(or writ of mandamus). It's not like you can just go to Cabelas and walk out with an M249.
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SSgt James Howerton
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But you've got to admit, Gunny, they are a blast to shoot!!! :)
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SGT John Rauch
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shall not be infringed rings a bell here
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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SGT John Rauch and that was NOT my question....Opinions of Machine guns, their use and purpose is what I asked. It's funny how more than half of the replies are like yours....and it's not what I asked.
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SGT John Rauch
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Sgt Kelli Mays - So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious. I believe this is the question you asked. so why is it legal? Like I said, Shall not be infringed still rings a bell here.
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TSgt Structural
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There are definitely several responses to this discussion! I'm thankful we live in a country where we all can debate freely! God bless America!
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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TSgt (Join to see) There are definitely many different responses, however I've had a dozen or more who have chastised me, called me names, put me down, called me ignorant and stupid....Seriously...is this what RP is all about ?!?!?!? Free debate it one thing, BUT LACK OF INTEGRITY is another...and there are some on here who have shown me they have neither Integrity or humility.
I asked a question and asking for peoples opinions for response...yet, many throw the 2nd amendment at me and say DUH!? Which is not what I was asking.
Yes, and God Bless America!
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SSgt James Howerton
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Agreed, TSgt!
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SrA Matthew Knight
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When it comes to media reporting on firearm related violence one should never fully trust the bs they are filling you with. As many others have pointed out there is a huge difference between a machine gun and a semi-auto rifle. The media exploits that difference and people's lack of knowledge in the matter to make things seem far worse than they are. I read a dailymail article a couple of days ago talking about some guys who privately patrol the US/Mexico border. They were carrying semi auto rifles which was obvious from the pictures but the British idiots who have no idea what they are talking about were saying that the group was guarding the border with heavy machine guns. I didn't see any HMMWV mounted .50s in any of the pictures so I think it's safe to assume the website is full of shit.

There is nothing wrong with owning firearms regardless of the type. The problem is parents failing to teach proper firearms safety and failing to properly store the firearms in a locked safe accessible only under their supervision. That and of course allowing people with mental illnesses to purchase them with little accountability, unfortunately that's an issue that likely won't be solved for a long time.
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SSgt James Howerton
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Great answer, SrA!
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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"Why is it necessary to own a machine gun?" The question is fundamentally wrongheaded in a free America. No one should have to explain their "need" for anything.

Machine guns already have a frozen supply in the United States, for private citizens. You cannot personally legally buy a machine gun in the United States that was made after May of 1986. This forces the prices ever higher. Furthermore there is a $200 tax per machine gun, as well as ridiculous amounts of paperwork and months of waiting, assuming that your local law enforcement choose to allow you the privilege of engaging in this economic activity.
Las time I checked, no legally owned machine gun has been used in any crime in several decades. Most AKs in the United States are semiautomatic (not machine guns: they fire one round per pull of them trigger, just like a double action revolver).

There are people who use machine guns (silenced, no less) to hunt pigs.

A machine gun has been used in lawful self defense. The citizen was charged with murder just because the perpetrator turned as he fell and caught a round in them back. He citizen was acquitted of any wrongdoing.
Some of the Korean shopkeepers in LA may have wished that they had machine guns as they defended themselves, their families, and their livelihoods from mobs.

Yes, machine guns should be legal. In fact, we need to immediately repeal NFA '34, GCA '68, and the Hughes Amendment to FOPA '86.
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SGT Bryon Sergent
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Most people that refer to a MACHINE GUN really don't understand what they are. An actual machine gun is anything that is belt feed, Air/water cooled and fires more than one round when the trigger is held back or down depending on the mechanism and continues to fire until the trigger is released or runs out.( Automatic Fire) LMAO or the barrel/barrels MELT.

What MOST people are calling a machine gun is a rifle or compact rifle or pistol, that when the trigger is held it fires, till it is let go or runs out of ammo and is usually magazine fed.. That is an AUTOMATIC. Glock has an AUTOMATIC pistol. MP-5 Can be obtained as an automatic also. M-16A1, UZI, MAC-11 tek-9. Then you have the Burst firing rifle that fires 3 rds when the trigger is pulled and STOPS firing even if the trigger is held. Release the trigger resets and is ready to fire another 3 rounds. I wouldn't call it an automatic but why get technical.
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In case our govt. tries to go George the III on us.
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Last I checked, machine guns weren't legal to own... what do you think a machine gun is?
Did you perhaps mix them up with assault rifles?

I personally would love to have a M-240B, because it's fun and I'd use it on remote ranges in Nevada, so not sure why that would be an issue.
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As a gun collector, I would love to get my hands a WWII BAR!! It would be bad ass to own! Until then, I will stick with full auto replicas, lol... Just my two cents...
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