Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Sgt Kelli Mays
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/04/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-should-americans-be-able-to-own-machine-guns/

I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
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SGT Richard H.
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Sgt Kelli Mays - It's neither necessary *OR* legal to sell a machine gun to an "ordinary" person. In certain instances, you can obtain the ability to own a fully automatic weapon for certain purposes (collectors, etc.) from the ATF, but it's a very intensive, lengthy, and expensive process. These are not the guns being used in the drive-by shootings that you're reading about, in spite of what the misinformed media tries to tell us. The weapons you are hearing about on the news are generally some crappy hack-job done with a hit off the 'ol crack pipe and a $2 file on the firing sear that keeps firing once the trigger is pulled even if you let go of it. Definitely NOT the same thing and most definitely NOT legal.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
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SGT Richard H. It is totally lawful to sell a machine gun to a "ordinary" person as long as the machine gun is manufactured prior to May 19, 1986, registered with our federal government, and BATFE approves the transfer.
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SGT Richard H.
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Cpl Mark McMiller - That's a much shorter version of what I just said.
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SGT Ronald Audas
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Sgt.Kelli Mays;I`m sure you have had your question answered and a whole lot more than you expected.Summed up,there are very few " machine guns" on the street.There is a big misunderstanding of Gun types.The anti gun folks think that the A in AR-16 means automatic,instead of it`s real meaning...ArmaLite.One topic that has been neglected is the money value in gun collections.So yes, some people have more than they can shoot.Being from Texas,I can`t say that I know anyone that doesn`t own a gun.I guess it never entered my mind to ask why anyone would need a certain type of gun.Anyway;A great and fun question.Thanks for asking!P.S. If Nancy Pelosi had had her way,I would have had my .22 taken away from me. The gun has a 17 round cylinder feed.
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SrA Scott Harris
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Good question, but a little off. Legal machine guns are extremely controlled in the US, and very, very expensive. Machine guns that you see used in street crimes are illegal. They are either illegally converted to full auto, or purchased on the black market from countries like Mexico. Since they are illegal to begin with, drafting additional laws banning various firearms is pointless. Criminals don't care, and so they ignore the fact that it is illegal.

Now, what about those legally owned machine guns? You know, the ones that us responsible American's can own for as little as $10,000. Plus a BAFTE background check. Plus an ATF Form 4. Plus a $200 SOT. Plus you can't live in certain states....you get the idea. Well, those people aren't out committing crimes, so who cares? There's not one single case where a legally owned machine gun was used in a murder.

Also, since you support the Second Amendment, you must know what it's for. The 2A protects all of our other rights enumerated in the Constitution. It says that civilians must maintain the ability to fight a tyrannical government should the worst come to pass. Machine guns are a part of that.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
I think you've been pretty well educated on your misconceptions so I'll leave that one alone.

But to answer your question on why would I want to own a full auto rifle, because they're fun to shoot, plain and simple.
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SSgt Avionics Mechanic
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I'm saying anything bad against you because you are allowed to have your own opinions, but a machine gun is not a semi automatic gun. You have to have a special class 3 license to own a fully automatic weapon. Also myself do not use my weapons to go hunting. I take my AK and AR out to the range. It helps me relieve stress and I find nothing wrong with this. Both my weapons are semi automatic weapons. Thanks for reading.
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SSG Wayne Wood
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Only collectors with special licenses are allowed to legally own a real machine gun. But your question, though well intentioned, IMO is off-based because in a FREE society of FREE citizens, no one should have to ever explain why they NEED a weapon, just the fact they WANT one should be enough reason. And if one should have to ask permission to own a weapon then we are no longer truly free. And THAT is why we have a 2nd Amendment.
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Sgt William Barr
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They do not use machine guns in drive bys. a AK47 is not a machine gun. We hunt with them and use them for protection and the 2nd amendment means we have the right.
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Sgt William Barr There have been drive by shootings in Chicago, LA and San Antonio with Machine guns. Guns where you pull the trigger once and many many many bullets spray out. These crazy people buy kits and change their weapons into them.
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PO1 Kerry French
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Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country = progressive liberal FAIL!!
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SSG John Erny
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Sgt Kelli Mays Yes, you can own a machine gun after a pile of paper work and a very complete background check by the ATF. You need a class III fire arms lic. in order to buy one. Here is the catch, the guns have to have been made before they were banned, so they are old. Most of them will cost a small fortune, A gangster style tommy gun is only about $30,000. If a criminal wanted full auto they are not going to fork over the cash for a weapon that they likely do not have the money for. They will take a semi-auto and illegally modify it; being a criminal to begin with this should not be a problem for them, breaking the law that is.
Those of us who have fired light weapons on full auto know that it does not work like the movies. The recoil causes them to ride up rapidly and off target, thus the military now gives us 3 round burst.

All you have to have is no felony record, class III Lic., and ca$h, lots of it!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Cpl Mark McMiller
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SSG John Erny No; you don't need a class III firearms license to buy one and it doesn't have to be that old. The machine gun merely has to be manufactured prior to May, 19, 1986, and it can be a new machine gun built on a old registered receiver; The transfer is subject to approval by BATFE after you pay a $200 transfer tax.
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SSgt James Howerton
SSgt James Howerton
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That's the weapon I'd own if I was rich. A Thompson or Tommy gun. You can buy them in a semi-auto form from a company that owns the right to still make them. It would go perfect with my 1911! But, of course, I'm not rich.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
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That's a good question! And it isn't needed! For what? I don't think you can hunt with it! So what purpose does it serve?
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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SPC Andrew Griffin After reading a ton of comments....there seems to be many who would disagree with us...I've been chastised, put down, called names...two so far have called me down right stupid and or ignorant. I can't believe how many keep throwing the 2nd amendment in my face, yet i only asked a simple question that requires a simple answer of "OPINION" Gee whiz....so many angry people on here.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
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Sgt Kelli Mays I'm sorry that people have been abusive toward you for asking the question, as it is a reasonable question. Regarding need: Need is a subjective thing and it can be argued that no one needs anything until they actually need it. But there are reasons someone might need a machine gun. Chief among those reasons is the potential ability to rise up and overthrow a tyrannical government should the need arise; it's pretty hard to overthrow a tyrannical government if you aren't armed at least as well as government forces; and this was the main reason the 2nd Amendment was written into the Bill of Rights to protect the right of every citizen to own and carry military-grade arms.

But more important than need is freedom. Under our Constitution, we are free to do whatever we want unless the government can show a compelling reason that what we want to do should be illegal, and then the government is required to pass legislation making that act illegal before it can prohibit us from doing so. Therefore, under our Constitution, It is not the citizen who must show a need in order to do something but, rather, it is the government that must show a need in order to prohibit us from doing that something; so barring any governmental need, we have the right do whatever we want. The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Bill of Rights to specifically tell the government that it shall never have a need to prohibit our right to keep and bear arms. That is why whether or not we need a machine gun is irrelevant to the question of whether or not we can own one.

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SSgt James Howerton
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I agree that it was a good question. I found out because of this thread that I was misinformed on this subject. Besides, like the saying goes, "There's no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people." Which I always took to mean better to ask if you don't know than to remain ignorant (uninformed) on a subject.
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Where are you at that machine guns are legal? My curiosity is piqued! Even sub-machine guns (SMGs) are typically banned (i.e., handheld automatic weapons such as the M-16A1 or Uzi). I don't recall being anywhere in the U.S. that anything more than semi-automatic (i.e., have to pull the trigger to fire each round) is legal for the average person. That's what's such a joke about most of the so-called assault weapon arguments in the media. With perhaps a few exceptions an AR-15 with laser sight and optical scope with a 30-round mag is no different than a .22 rifle with a 10-round magazine, or if someone's familiar with their weapon even a bolt-action rifle.
Some like the tactical-style semi-autos because it makes them feel big & bad, but many do just because they are now typically highly customizable so they can be made more comfortable, more accurate for hunting, whatever. Most civilians/non-gun folks just associate them as military-related because of how they look. But they're no more military than a civilian Hummer H1 rolling down the street painted black. The fundamental platform might be there, but overall it's not the same thing.
The main factor that could come into play is caliber of the round, but there are civilian rounds that are about the same level of effectiveness (or more in some cases).
But as mentioned in the article's blurb to actually own any kind of automatic weapon typically requires tons of red tape and proof of reason. Usually this is limited to proven law enforcement personnel (if that), and collectors who can prove their collectors and sometimes even have to prove the weapon is a collector-level item.
The FBI recently released their crime numbers for 2014. Once again shootings are down overall. The vast majority are criminals on criminals. Also, the very large majority of shootings involve handguns, not rifles. There were more people killed by hands and feet than all long guns combined (to include so-called assault weapons). So the large majority of the assault weapon issue is manufactured by the media and gun control advocates. The reason you primarily hear about 'assault weapon victims' is because that's what they want to report and what causes a stir, and more often than should be actually the case isn't even an assault weapon as they classify it.
There are also a large number of stories and instances where someone who is carrying a private firearm stops a situation that could be deadly, or greatly reduces the casualties (especially if the offender has a firearm). But these are rarely reported above the local level in the media, and sometimes only see the light of day through orgs that monitor police reports. Once both bad and good instances of firearm use are properly reported, and without sensationalizing a particular type that's far from the main issue, then I'll be able to take gun control advocates seriously.
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CPL Jason Hawken
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When someone prevents a mass shooting by killing the shooter the media generally attacks the hero instead of praising them for saving lives. I remember a story a few years back that happened in a mall. The media camped outside of the hero's house and destroyed their life.
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