Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Why are Machine Guns legal? What does anyone need with one?
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I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
I am all for the 2nd amendment. I myself do not own a gun....I have a brother that owns so many I lost count and couldn't possibly tell you what they are.
I'm all for owing a rifle or a shot gun or many numerous types of hand guns....Guns to go hunting, guns to protect one self and their family/loved one.
BUT! Why is it necessary to own a Machine gun? Machine guns are great for the Military. The military has a real purpose/need for machine guns....BUT! why does an average American citizen need to own a machine gun? What is the purpose or reason to have one?
Do we really need machine guns? I for one would like to see Machine guns stopped from being sold in the US....
Nearly every drive by shooting I have read about involved a machine gun...AK this or that...semi automatic this or that.
Seriously...I know a lot of you out there know a hell of a lot about guns...I don't....I know just enough....But I do know that nothing good seems to come from those who have possession of Machines guns...except for the military or maybe except for gun collectors who buy them for the collection.....otherwise what do you use one for? To go hunting? Naw....really not a way to go hunting....to defend onself....nope...not really efficient and or safe way to defend yourself of your family...
So....why exactly is it legal to own a machine gun? ....and who feels machine guns should be available and who feels they should not be?
Just curious.
Posted 10 y ago
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We don't have needs in this country, we have rights.
No one needs cars that do 3X the speed limit. No one needs booze. No one needs a lot of things. So really, I have no need to answer your question, because it's a snoopy, intrusive question. I want them, so I have them, and it's none of your business. However:
A semi-automatic is not a "machine gun," which is by definition full auto. So you actually don't know enough about what you're asking to phrase a clear question.
Full autos have been all but eliminated. There are less than 200K in existence, no new ones are allowed since 1986, and they cost $5000 and up, some in the hundreds of thousands. Nor has a legal full auto EVER been used for murder since the National Firearms Act taxed and restricted them. (There are two exceptions. Both were POLICE engaged in the drug trade.)
Illegal ones get smuggled in or made in labs, just as drugs do. Banning cocaine hasn't stopped anyone from acquiring it, it's only created turf wars and circumstances where addicts are afraid to ask for help.
The 2nd Amendment is not to protect hunting. It is to protect the right to make war against invaders or despots. In fact, you'll find in the Constitution a reference to "Letters of Marque and Reprisal." This acknowledged that private warships with cannon were common enough to provide laws for. Private artillery was common through the Civil War.
Finally for now, at 600 rounds per minute or more, machine guns are insanely expensive to shoot. I spend about $100 per shooting minute on ammo for mine.
No one needs cars that do 3X the speed limit. No one needs booze. No one needs a lot of things. So really, I have no need to answer your question, because it's a snoopy, intrusive question. I want them, so I have them, and it's none of your business. However:
A semi-automatic is not a "machine gun," which is by definition full auto. So you actually don't know enough about what you're asking to phrase a clear question.
Full autos have been all but eliminated. There are less than 200K in existence, no new ones are allowed since 1986, and they cost $5000 and up, some in the hundreds of thousands. Nor has a legal full auto EVER been used for murder since the National Firearms Act taxed and restricted them. (There are two exceptions. Both were POLICE engaged in the drug trade.)
Illegal ones get smuggled in or made in labs, just as drugs do. Banning cocaine hasn't stopped anyone from acquiring it, it's only created turf wars and circumstances where addicts are afraid to ask for help.
The 2nd Amendment is not to protect hunting. It is to protect the right to make war against invaders or despots. In fact, you'll find in the Constitution a reference to "Letters of Marque and Reprisal." This acknowledged that private warships with cannon were common enough to provide laws for. Private artillery was common through the Civil War.
Finally for now, at 600 rounds per minute or more, machine guns are insanely expensive to shoot. I spend about $100 per shooting minute on ammo for mine.
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Citizens don't need machine guns, they want them. They think the 2nd amendment means all arms. Some people would cruise around in tanks if they could.
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LTC Stephen B.
When the Constitution was written, the Citizen's arms WERE the military arms. Militia (ALL able-bodied men of a certain age range) were required to report for muster with arms, powder and ball ammunition. The 2nd amendment was written to ensure citizens could defend themselves against the government.
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MSG Alfred Aguilar
Very true Sir however, no one has ever walked into a movie theater and shot 30 fellow citizens in 10 seconds with powder and ball ammunition. Since the days of our founding fathers, the supreme court has placed limitations on the second amendment specifically for this reason. I do not advocate taking anyone guns away, only that we take common sense actions to control who gets assault style weapons. A car is essentially a high speed weapon which is why we register them and license the operators.
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MSG John Harris
MSG Alfred Aguilar - I've read it. Several times. It doesn't say "military arms" it says "arms" with no distinction. "Assault style weapons" and "common sense actions" are code words and I suspect you know it. BTW - only Larry the Cable guy has "bare arms".
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MSG Alfred Aguilar
Then we should all be able to purchase a M-109 Self Propelled Howitzer and drive it right through the constitutional loophole:)
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Machine guns are good for 2 things. Wasting ammo and suppressing fire. You can kill more things out in the open with controlled pairs than with a hail of bullets shot into the air.
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Machine guns (fully automatic weapons which are weapons that keep firing rounds as long as the trigger is depressed) are not legal. Many uninformed people make this mistake. A rifle that is semi-automatic (will fire one round every time you depress the trigger) is legal; in the military that same rifle has another option on the selector switch (at least when I served) which takes it from semi-automatic to fully automatic. Civilian weapons have no such ability unless someone has done some alteration to that weapon to make it fully automatic. This is the type of misinformation many anti-gunners spread falsely (not referring to you, Ma'am), just as the misnomer "assault rifle" is used by people who know no better or do know but spread it anyway. There is no such thing as an "assault rifle." Any weapon can be used to "assault" someone. If you take a shotgun and attack someone with it, then it could be called an "assault rifle." But the anti-gun group use the term to describe AR-15s (the civilian equivalent of the M-16, without the fully automatic capability), an SKS, AK-47 or any number of weapons that were originally made for combat action. Most people who own AR-15 (the most popular of the semi-automatic carbines or rifles on the market today) use it for recreational shooting, hunting and home defense. Why would you need a semi-automatic rifle for home defense? For the same reason our Forefathers put the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution. Americans should always be able to keep their Country from becoming a police state or a dictatorship. And no, I don't own one. Hope this helps.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
SSgt James Howerton Actually, it is you who is misinformed. Subject to state and local law, it has always been legal for civilians to purchase, own, and trade fully automatic weapons in the U.S.
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SSgt James Howerton
You know, Mark, you're right. I WAS misinformed, as I have done more research on this subject and from what I've read you are exactly right. I was just worried about the way most people think about semi-auto AR's and other similar type weapons being fully auto like they are always showing in movies. I think this type of movie makes people who have no military experience think that everyone who owns "an assault rifle" have the ability to kill hundreds of people with their privately owned guns. I should have done my research BEFORE I posted my answer. My apologies.
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Let's go with the Obvious first: Because I can. It's a Constitutionally protected right. And Yes, while they are legal, they are HIGHLY regulated and incredibly expensive.
Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of the term "Machine Gun". It is typically used to describe a weapon that can fire multiple rounds with the single pull of the trigger, however, this is also covered by the term "automatic weapon", which refers to the same thing. So "Machine Guns" is used to describe a larger weapon than a standard rifle that is often belt fed and sometimes called a 'crew served weapon". I can honestly tell you that there has not been a murder in the United States with a Crew served weapon, EVER. Despite what Hollywood wants you to believe.
So let's boil it down to what I think you're getting at and that is select-fire NFA (National Firearms Act) controlled weapons. This is your typical rifle that can be made to fire more than one round with the single pull of the trigger. Now we're getting into the dangerous stuff, those things carried by all the gangs and used in all those drive-by shootings you mentioned. Except, not. Last year there were 0 (that's zero) murders with a select fire weapon.
As a matter of fact, there were more murders with hands and feet than with ALL rifles combined (to include the evil ones)! Knifes killed more people than rifles, pools killed more people than rifles, texting killed more people than rifles, etc...
So to answer your question, I can have one because the Constitution protects the rights of Americans to lawfully possess firearms for the express purpose of defending oneself from anything up to and including (especially) a tyrannical government. Now some say that the people are outgunned and can't match the might of the Military if it were ever turned on us, but just look at what bunch of guys in the Middle East were able to do.
Second, I don't think you understand the meaning of the term "Machine Gun". It is typically used to describe a weapon that can fire multiple rounds with the single pull of the trigger, however, this is also covered by the term "automatic weapon", which refers to the same thing. So "Machine Guns" is used to describe a larger weapon than a standard rifle that is often belt fed and sometimes called a 'crew served weapon". I can honestly tell you that there has not been a murder in the United States with a Crew served weapon, EVER. Despite what Hollywood wants you to believe.
So let's boil it down to what I think you're getting at and that is select-fire NFA (National Firearms Act) controlled weapons. This is your typical rifle that can be made to fire more than one round with the single pull of the trigger. Now we're getting into the dangerous stuff, those things carried by all the gangs and used in all those drive-by shootings you mentioned. Except, not. Last year there were 0 (that's zero) murders with a select fire weapon.
As a matter of fact, there were more murders with hands and feet than with ALL rifles combined (to include the evil ones)! Knifes killed more people than rifles, pools killed more people than rifles, texting killed more people than rifles, etc...
So to answer your question, I can have one because the Constitution protects the rights of Americans to lawfully possess firearms for the express purpose of defending oneself from anything up to and including (especially) a tyrannical government. Now some say that the people are outgunned and can't match the might of the Military if it were ever turned on us, but just look at what bunch of guys in the Middle East were able to do.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
MAJ (Join to see) I do understand the difference. I am talking about the gang shooting that use machine guns...you pull the trigger and pop pop pop pop pop pop...it just keeps firing.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Can you show me a single case of an fully automatic weapon being used in gang violence? I can't find one. Let's assume that you are correct and that there have been gang shootings using these weapons. Think about this:
1. Do you think they were obtained legally?
2. How do the police combat something like this?
3. Do you believe that private citizens deserve the right to own comparable weapons for self-defense?
4. Why are you holding up weapons used by criminals as a justification for taking away the rights of law abiding Americans?
Any gang using an automatic weapon certainly obtained that weapon through illegal means. Just look at the gun running that our Justice Department was involved in. Those were legal firearms that were illegally sold to people we knew would use them in the commission of crimes.
The other option is that they purchased a legal semi-auto firearm through legal or (most likely) illegal means and modified it to fire full-auto. This is also highly illegal.
In recent years, the police have updated their armory by including semi-auto and full-auto rifles in their patrol cars. Why? Because they are extremely effective when used by a trained operator.
In a life or death situation where someone is threatening the life of myself or my family, I will use every tool at my disposal to deal with the threat. Now, since I cannot carry a concealed cop in my pocket, shouldn't I, as a law abiding citizen, have the same access to the tools that those charged with securing the crime scene have?
1. Do you think they were obtained legally?
2. How do the police combat something like this?
3. Do you believe that private citizens deserve the right to own comparable weapons for self-defense?
4. Why are you holding up weapons used by criminals as a justification for taking away the rights of law abiding Americans?
Any gang using an automatic weapon certainly obtained that weapon through illegal means. Just look at the gun running that our Justice Department was involved in. Those were legal firearms that were illegally sold to people we knew would use them in the commission of crimes.
The other option is that they purchased a legal semi-auto firearm through legal or (most likely) illegal means and modified it to fire full-auto. This is also highly illegal.
In recent years, the police have updated their armory by including semi-auto and full-auto rifles in their patrol cars. Why? Because they are extremely effective when used by a trained operator.
In a life or death situation where someone is threatening the life of myself or my family, I will use every tool at my disposal to deal with the threat. Now, since I cannot carry a concealed cop in my pocket, shouldn't I, as a law abiding citizen, have the same access to the tools that those charged with securing the crime scene have?
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I think that honestly I would love to own an old style "machine gun" say from WWI or WWII just for the oddity of owning it.
I think though that most of the drive by shootings or criminal activity involving assault rifles that can shoot full automatic are not legally obtained and that more effort needs to go into getting those weapons off the street. I would say that almost every legal gun owner is very responsible with their guns and keeps them as secure as possible.
Yes you do see the occasional dumb ass who leaves a loaded gun without a trigger lock on the nightstand and some 2 year old kid plays with it, or the parents who fail to secure their weapons and their teenage kids gets pissed off and decides to settle a score.
Until our elected leaders decide to go after the criminals and punish them according to the law then your never going to see automatic weapons off the street.
I think though that most of the drive by shootings or criminal activity involving assault rifles that can shoot full automatic are not legally obtained and that more effort needs to go into getting those weapons off the street. I would say that almost every legal gun owner is very responsible with their guns and keeps them as secure as possible.
Yes you do see the occasional dumb ass who leaves a loaded gun without a trigger lock on the nightstand and some 2 year old kid plays with it, or the parents who fail to secure their weapons and their teenage kids gets pissed off and decides to settle a score.
Until our elected leaders decide to go after the criminals and punish them according to the law then your never going to see automatic weapons off the street.
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Sgt Kelli Mays The laws on the books keep any legally owned machine gun for the most part out of the hands of any criminals. They are super expensive (Cheap ones are around $10,000) there are tax stamps and background checks that are much more in depth that buying a handgun. Since 1986 there are not allowed to be any more machine guns manufactured for sale to the civilian population. The ones that are out there now are used and being traded. They will eventually go the way of the dodo bird and you will only hear stories of them.
I do love when people that don't understand the Second Amendment claim that they support it. The 2nd does not give you the right to hunt or to even protect yourself with a firearm. There is no guarantee for any of those things in the Bill of Rights. You have been given the right to own a firearm for one reason only. To be able to stand up to the government as a group and overthrow it if need be.
When this was written there were no planes and tanks. It was men with guns facing each other and firing single shots. Most of the guns were civilian manufactured. It was fair for both sides and if enough people did not like the way it was going they could of marched to the Capital with guns in their hands and ended the reign of the person in power. That is why you are allowed to own a gun.
Now modern times there are force multipliers. Machine guns being the least of them. Planes, missiles, and bombs have made it nearly impossible to defeat a government with just guns, but we still have that option. Would everybody being able to own a machine gun make a difference in the power of the people? I don't believe so. For that reason alone I have no problem saying that not everybody should have a machine gun.
I do love when people that don't understand the Second Amendment claim that they support it. The 2nd does not give you the right to hunt or to even protect yourself with a firearm. There is no guarantee for any of those things in the Bill of Rights. You have been given the right to own a firearm for one reason only. To be able to stand up to the government as a group and overthrow it if need be.
When this was written there were no planes and tanks. It was men with guns facing each other and firing single shots. Most of the guns were civilian manufactured. It was fair for both sides and if enough people did not like the way it was going they could of marched to the Capital with guns in their hands and ended the reign of the person in power. That is why you are allowed to own a gun.
Now modern times there are force multipliers. Machine guns being the least of them. Planes, missiles, and bombs have made it nearly impossible to defeat a government with just guns, but we still have that option. Would everybody being able to own a machine gun make a difference in the power of the people? I don't believe so. For that reason alone I have no problem saying that not everybody should have a machine gun.
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PO3 (Join to see)
Agree, but just to inform you ... self-defense is a nature rights. The founders also understand that too, that is why they use "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". :)
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SGT William Howell
PO3 (Join to see) That is open to interpretation, the Second Amendment is very clear in why we can have firearms. It is why nobody can work around it to remove guns from us. If we just had "Laws of Nature" that can be interpreted so many different ways. They is a lot of gray area with that. With the Second Amendment it is black and white.
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SGT William Howell
PO3 (Join to see) Yep simple and to the point. There was a time when a bill only had one thing on it and that was what was voted one.
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The only correct statement you made was that you didn't know much about guns. Automatic weapons are very strictly regulated by the ATF and have been for 80 years. Autoloading rifles are the most efficient way to protect yourself (that's why the military uses them), and depending on the caliber and size of game are perfectly suited for hunting. I hate to break it to you (no I don't), but no situation the requires the use of a firearm is completely safe. If you were safe from a person trying to kill you, you wouldn't need a gun. That being said, you are never completely safe. Wear a seatbelt, wear a gun, keep fire extinguishers ready, and be prepared for whatever emergency may rear its head.
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Like most things with high emotional content, the arguments are low on facts and high on hysteria. Let's start with some definitions:
Machine gun: A weapon which fires more than one bullet per trigger squeeze. Also known as "Full Automatic." These weapons are already illegal, with some very limited loopholes, like having a Class III Federal Firearms License (that is the license required to run a gun store.)
Semi-Automatic: A weapon which fires ONLY ONE bullet per trigger squeeze. Nearly all legal guns (except bolt actions and really old guns) are in this category.
Bolt Action. After firing a single bullet, you have to work a bolt, or pull down a lever or otherwise take some action to get the weapon ready to fire the next round.
Need: Used politically, it means that I have the right to determine what you are allowed to have, and I can disparage your desire to have something that I don't think you "need." Do you need to have a car? Do you need a dryer? (Isn't hanging clothes on the line outside, and saving all that energy good enough or you?)
Ownership of a machine gun is something I will not defend. Pulling the trigger on a weapon means you have accepted the complete responsibility for where the bullets go. if you kill a burglar, but the bullet passes through his body and kills some innocent 1/2 a mile away, you are guilty of murder. Even professionals can't be that accurate with multiple bullets coming out of the barrel.
Some survivalist types will say that when the mob comes for them, they will mow them down. Unlikely, as well as slightly hysterical. With a machine gun, even in the best situation, only about 1 bullet in 3 kills the target, The rest miss, or do additional damage to a corpse that hasn't hit the ground yet. I have a .45 automatic (That's a pistol that only fires one round per trigger squeeze.) If a mob of 20 comes to kill me, they can do it, but I'll kill 7 of them first, and that's enough, in my opinion. Besides, if I kill a few, the rest may decide to look for someone who isn't armed.
Me personally, I'd gladly surrender the right to machine guns, weapons over .50 calibre (1/2 inch in diameter, but excepting black powder weapons which can be much larger and have no record I can find of being used in crimes in this century), explosives, poison weapons, and similar things, if we could once and for all quit having to defend my right to self-defense, sport, and hunting, year after year. But certain people like Obama and Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife have stated that they will keep coming until they disarm our society. I take them at their word, and I'm not giving an inch without some recognition that I have rights too.
So what's bad about that? Australia recently used their registration database to force their citizens to turn in 604,000 personally owned weapons which were then destroyed. A police chief from one of their cities recently reported that EVERY category of violent crime has increased since then, including a 300% increase in assaults on the elderly in their homes.
Do we have a numerically high homicide rate in America? Yes. Are the the third most populous nation on the planet? Yes. Could that be the reason for the high number? (Queue Jeopardy music.)
In fact, our per capita homicide rate is lower than many European nations with high gun control laws.
What is my solution? First, we need to ask if guns are the problem or if something in our society is the problem. Are people frustrated and desperate because they cannot find work? Yes. Are the mentally ill undercared for? Probably. Are people frustrated because their government doesn't listen to them? Sure. Are people worried about having to eat dog food when they retire? Damn straight! Are people concerned about the every increasing tax bite? Yes. Are people concerned about the way the government overspends the budget, putting the nation into unpayable debt? Yes. What is the number 2 illegal import into the US (behind illegal drugs)? Guns, often fully automatics and sawed off weapons, both of which are already illegal. Just how many mass murders in the last 3 years would be prevented if we had complete background checks? Only ONE, the Virginia Tech shooting, and it wouldn't have happened if Obama hadn't blocked a bipartisan bill restricting gun ownership to the mentally ill. What two cities have very restrictive gun control laws, yet constantly are number 1 and 2 as the Murder Capitol of the United States? Washington D.C. and Chicago. And if gun control is such a good idea, why is the record so poor in Washington D.C. and Chicago? ........ No matter how much thinking you do, my answer is that it obviously shows that it isn't a good idea.
We have a lot of problems to solve in this country and we need reasoned discussion about them, rather than playing politics for political gain.
Machine gun: A weapon which fires more than one bullet per trigger squeeze. Also known as "Full Automatic." These weapons are already illegal, with some very limited loopholes, like having a Class III Federal Firearms License (that is the license required to run a gun store.)
Semi-Automatic: A weapon which fires ONLY ONE bullet per trigger squeeze. Nearly all legal guns (except bolt actions and really old guns) are in this category.
Bolt Action. After firing a single bullet, you have to work a bolt, or pull down a lever or otherwise take some action to get the weapon ready to fire the next round.
Need: Used politically, it means that I have the right to determine what you are allowed to have, and I can disparage your desire to have something that I don't think you "need." Do you need to have a car? Do you need a dryer? (Isn't hanging clothes on the line outside, and saving all that energy good enough or you?)
Ownership of a machine gun is something I will not defend. Pulling the trigger on a weapon means you have accepted the complete responsibility for where the bullets go. if you kill a burglar, but the bullet passes through his body and kills some innocent 1/2 a mile away, you are guilty of murder. Even professionals can't be that accurate with multiple bullets coming out of the barrel.
Some survivalist types will say that when the mob comes for them, they will mow them down. Unlikely, as well as slightly hysterical. With a machine gun, even in the best situation, only about 1 bullet in 3 kills the target, The rest miss, or do additional damage to a corpse that hasn't hit the ground yet. I have a .45 automatic (That's a pistol that only fires one round per trigger squeeze.) If a mob of 20 comes to kill me, they can do it, but I'll kill 7 of them first, and that's enough, in my opinion. Besides, if I kill a few, the rest may decide to look for someone who isn't armed.
Me personally, I'd gladly surrender the right to machine guns, weapons over .50 calibre (1/2 inch in diameter, but excepting black powder weapons which can be much larger and have no record I can find of being used in crimes in this century), explosives, poison weapons, and similar things, if we could once and for all quit having to defend my right to self-defense, sport, and hunting, year after year. But certain people like Obama and Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife have stated that they will keep coming until they disarm our society. I take them at their word, and I'm not giving an inch without some recognition that I have rights too.
So what's bad about that? Australia recently used their registration database to force their citizens to turn in 604,000 personally owned weapons which were then destroyed. A police chief from one of their cities recently reported that EVERY category of violent crime has increased since then, including a 300% increase in assaults on the elderly in their homes.
Do we have a numerically high homicide rate in America? Yes. Are the the third most populous nation on the planet? Yes. Could that be the reason for the high number? (Queue Jeopardy music.)
In fact, our per capita homicide rate is lower than many European nations with high gun control laws.
What is my solution? First, we need to ask if guns are the problem or if something in our society is the problem. Are people frustrated and desperate because they cannot find work? Yes. Are the mentally ill undercared for? Probably. Are people frustrated because their government doesn't listen to them? Sure. Are people worried about having to eat dog food when they retire? Damn straight! Are people concerned about the every increasing tax bite? Yes. Are people concerned about the way the government overspends the budget, putting the nation into unpayable debt? Yes. What is the number 2 illegal import into the US (behind illegal drugs)? Guns, often fully automatics and sawed off weapons, both of which are already illegal. Just how many mass murders in the last 3 years would be prevented if we had complete background checks? Only ONE, the Virginia Tech shooting, and it wouldn't have happened if Obama hadn't blocked a bipartisan bill restricting gun ownership to the mentally ill. What two cities have very restrictive gun control laws, yet constantly are number 1 and 2 as the Murder Capitol of the United States? Washington D.C. and Chicago. And if gun control is such a good idea, why is the record so poor in Washington D.C. and Chicago? ........ No matter how much thinking you do, my answer is that it obviously shows that it isn't a good idea.
We have a lot of problems to solve in this country and we need reasoned discussion about them, rather than playing politics for political gain.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
SGM (Join to see) You are incorrect regarding what is legal for civilians to own. Subject to state and local law, It has always been legal in this country for civilians to purchase, own, and trade machine guns. As of 1934, each machine gun must be federally registered and a $200 transfer tax is imposed upon transfer to each new civilian owner. As of May 19, 1986, civilians can only purchase, own, and trade machine guns manufactured and federally registered prior to that date.
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SGM (Join to see)
Someone else agreed with me that it takes a class 3 FFL. But no problem, it's clearly not something that's done very often, and it includes registration (one of the gun grabbers favorite starting ploys.) I wonder what the stats are on murders committed with legally owned and registered machine guns? (At least after the St Valentine's Day Massacre.)
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