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Why is it so hard for males to correct females? Since I have been in it has only been a few that I see will correct a female. Some come to me and ask me to go correct them and some ask me to go with them. We all need to make sure we know AR 670-1 on the male and female end.
Posted 11 y ago
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Because most of us are married and know better than trying to correct a female.
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SSG Christopher Alderman
I am right there with you and I am her dedicated driver when ever I am not in the field or deployed.
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PO1 (Join to see)
Hey I make all decisions in my house. Provided they're cleared through First Lady first
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I'm too lazy to read the other comments on here... But from my experience, a lot of the problem comes with the fear that the female can call harassment charges on the male. It's stupid but it's a reality
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MSgt (Join to see) , I have had that happen (going half the day looking crazy because no one said anything to me). I get frustrated and humiliated because I was "jacked up" and no one bothered to help me out. I have actually called a few fellow service members out for NOT correcting me. They always say things like, "Oh I didn't even notice that..."
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GySgt Joe Strong
PO1 Jennifer Purcell, and you are asking the correct questions, but your lens may not be showing you the whole picture.
It's the problem with the unfounded harrassment. In TSgt Paula "Shorty" Rojas example, without her walking in there easily could have been a he said/she said no witness no evidence situation, and the accuser is going to carry the day. Why would a male take a risk being misunderstood or falsely accused on the basis that the female took issue with a correction when she had no real reason to do so? And it may not result in immediate termination but maybe 10 years from now when the board is meeting "no retain - Sharp accusation" kills a career.
The Ladies have a powerful tool given for the right reasons and in a nobel cause, but too many are abusing it.
It's the problem with the unfounded harrassment. In TSgt Paula "Shorty" Rojas example, without her walking in there easily could have been a he said/she said no witness no evidence situation, and the accuser is going to carry the day. Why would a male take a risk being misunderstood or falsely accused on the basis that the female took issue with a correction when she had no real reason to do so? And it may not result in immediate termination but maybe 10 years from now when the board is meeting "no retain - Sharp accusation" kills a career.
The Ladies have a powerful tool given for the right reasons and in a nobel cause, but too many are abusing it.
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I've heard my share of stories about this. A colleague of mine was accused of sexual harrasment, despite many witnesses to the contrary and was found cleared of accused wrong doing, and it still haunts him to this day.
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A male SM should be careful when addressing female SMs especially without a witness. It only takes one false statement, only one misconceived idea on one's demeanor, words used and tone of voice to turn things around, and to twist around words to ruin a career. I have seen it in my 16 years of service that some females and a few males will falsify a verbal statement because another higher SM put them into their place.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
As military police I have had several false accusations and complaints of which were all worked out due to electronic recording devices. People can be disgusting.
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I have also spent some time in law enforcement and have observed the damage a false claim can do. To put things into perspective, you have keep in mind that it was because of all the REAL cases involving sexual harassment, sexual battery and assault that resulted in the revamping to the military sexual harassment/assault reporting system (at least in the AF). We continually have Sexual Assault Prevention Response (SAPR) stand down training in which it is communicated (predominately to females) that if you sense anything that might be inappropriate speak up and all accusations of sexual misconduct will be taken seriously (as they should). Thus, there is a fine line that the admin must walk. They need a reporting system sensitive enough to encourage real cases to come forward without opening a new channel for opportunist seeking retribution to exploit. It’s tough to find that balance. Plus it also doesn’t help that sexual harassment has become a political hot potato.
Currently, a harassment complaint against you, whether it has any merit or not, is enough to ruin your career. In a more extreme example, a restricted report for sexual assault is not investigated and it is intended to provide services to a victim of sexual assault without law enforcement’s involvement. While restricted reporting (http://www.myduty.mil/index.php/reporting-options/restricted-reporting) protects the victim’s information or incident details from being released, it has no mention of the disposition of the offender’s information. So when the base commander gets the report that a “sexual assault” has taken place on his instillation, there might or might not be offender attached to that item. While he cannot investigate or act on a restricted report, your career and reputation is ruined, and without one bit of investigation or evidence needed.
So yes, I feel like I DO have to walk on eggshells around female service members. To be honest, I’m somewhat weary of dealing with female member. Because you just don’t know. So the moral of the story is, if you have to discipline or otherwise address a female member in a fashion that might “hurt her feelings,” have a witness or have another female do it. Because if you are accused of improper conduct of any sort, in this current climate, you are guilty until proven innocent.
Currently, a harassment complaint against you, whether it has any merit or not, is enough to ruin your career. In a more extreme example, a restricted report for sexual assault is not investigated and it is intended to provide services to a victim of sexual assault without law enforcement’s involvement. While restricted reporting (http://www.myduty.mil/index.php/reporting-options/restricted-reporting) protects the victim’s information or incident details from being released, it has no mention of the disposition of the offender’s information. So when the base commander gets the report that a “sexual assault” has taken place on his instillation, there might or might not be offender attached to that item. While he cannot investigate or act on a restricted report, your career and reputation is ruined, and without one bit of investigation or evidence needed.
So yes, I feel like I DO have to walk on eggshells around female service members. To be honest, I’m somewhat weary of dealing with female member. Because you just don’t know. So the moral of the story is, if you have to discipline or otherwise address a female member in a fashion that might “hurt her feelings,” have a witness or have another female do it. Because if you are accused of improper conduct of any sort, in this current climate, you are guilty until proven innocent.
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PO1 Jennifer Purcell, Unfortunately, the trend these days is to not pursue members making a false statement, unless there is hard evidence, for fear of re-victimizing a potential victim. Where the military has the opportunity to "grow" is when statements cannot be substantiated by hard evidence, they should not be pursued. But as GySgt Strong said, Presumption is usually with the accuser and most leaders will choose a less than desirable decision over being wrong.
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SGT(P) William Kesler, maybe these issues would be a great reason to review current training material and modify it to teach the difference between situations that have actual sexual harassment and those that do not. It seems there are more issues underlining this topic then first meets the eye. Instead of avoiding the "ugly truth" maybe it is time to tackle it head on so these types of things are no longer issues. I don't expect to change the system overnight but maybe get some leadership talking about it is a good start. :)
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