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Nomenclature is interesting. I have no idea. weapon can cover any thing from a fire pace poker to a nuclear bomb. Gun seem to refer specifically to kinetic weapons with propelled projectiles. There is also the language of the art. The military seems to have chosen "weapon" as the language of the military for soldier issued guns. So now I think we are following precedence and not wanting to appear as an outsider "Maintain your WEAPON soldier" is clearly understood by military members not to mean "your fire place poker needs to be polished".
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Lots of good comments here aleready on the general definitions. The Marine Corps specific penchant for calling firearms especially individual arms 'weapons' and sometimes more specific names "rifle" "pistol" etc. probably arises out of a desire for specificity and clarity. Artillery pieces, howitzers, are called "guns" so are machine guns for more rapid speech, I would hazard a guess the Corps instituted this lexical difference to make it clear when a Sgt tells a LCpl "Go get on your gun" the LCpl will know the Sgt means the Machinegun rather than the rifle.
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Because 'guns' is how you address a Gunners mate? Seriously, I think that might be because not all weapons are "guns".
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Guns are not weapons. Guns are tools. I have made it a point throughout my career in law enforcement and the military to not call "firearms" weapons.
When I travel overseas I always carry a Cross ink pen with small strips of skateboard tape on it. It is great tool if I need to stab somebody. Nobody questions it at the airport. Why? Because it is pen. I'll use it as a weapon, but when I am done it is a pen. The same can be said for a gun. The only difference is it starts out as a tool for for protection.
When I travel overseas I always carry a Cross ink pen with small strips of skateboard tape on it. It is great tool if I need to stab somebody. Nobody questions it at the airport. Why? Because it is pen. I'll use it as a weapon, but when I am done it is a pen. The same can be said for a gun. The only difference is it starts out as a tool for for protection.
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All guns are weapons. Not all weapons are guns. A knife or broom stick could be used as weapon or tool.
Gun as a tool? Hmmm! I never thought about it that way. But tool to do what? The only think coming to mind could be "tool to enforce obedience." Even if one is shot dead, one could say it is an ultimate state of obedience.
I am not sure I like the definition of a gun as tool for LE.
Gun as a tool? Hmmm! I never thought about it that way. But tool to do what? The only think coming to mind could be "tool to enforce obedience." Even if one is shot dead, one could say it is an ultimate state of obedience.
I am not sure I like the definition of a gun as tool for LE.
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SGT Howell- Although we may disagree on what is a gun, I think it is asinine for an unverified "member" to down vote someone without a courtesy comment.
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SGT William Howell
CW4 (Join to see) I think of it as a tool of insurance. A tool that we as a people are not subjects of the government. For me, I guess, I don't want to see guns become a thing that is taboo to own. I think of it as a instrument of protection and not death. So for me, I prefer to call it a tool ( Even though I believe you are correct in you observation and I am just being hard headed).
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SGT William Howell
SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" If you look at my down vote you will see that it is by a non rated Specialist. Never seen one of those before in my life. There was no reason given for the down vote. I would say that it is just someone that has no business on RP as I don't think they are a vet.
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Do they still teach basic trainees that poem of "this is my weapon, and this is my gun; my weapon's for killing and my gun is for fun" when they tell them never to call their rifle a "gun"? Something tells me probably not.
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SPC Margaret Higgins
They do not, Lieutenant Colonel. Sure would have been fun though. ;) LTC (Join to see)
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SPC Margaret Higgins It's probably just as well. A generation is saved from bad puns about "large caliber" and "small arms proficiency". :)
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SPC Margaret Higgins
Ma'am, This is very relevant to the United States military. I never found out the answer to this question; while I was serving. So there is no reason why I shouldn't ask this question of members of Rally Point.
If you'll notice, 10 Rally Point members did not think this is an irrelevant question: They voted me up.
If you'll notice, 10 Rally Point members did not think this is an irrelevant question: They voted me up.
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A gun, by common military definition, is generally accepted as a large bore, crew served weapon. This includes smooth bore and rifled cannons and artillery pieces (and naval "guns"). A weapon is something man portable. True, weapons can be crew served, but they are not "large bore". Mortar systems are admittedly a gray area and have been referred to as gun-mortars in the past (talking a few hundred years).
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I voted you down because I think it is asinine for an unverified "member" to down vote someone without a courtesy comment.
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The only thing asinine is your childish attitude. As a CW4 you should be above participating in revenge down voting (not that I care). There are too many thin skinned "leaders" here who overly value their precious points.
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