Posted on May 24, 2016
Why aren't people taking "stolen valor" more seriously? I feel they are downplaying this. Is impersonating a LEO a crime? Why? Same, same?
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because alot of people have lost respect for the law because of the adminisration in DC because if anyone says anything their called racists or they offend someone
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A LEO has authority and most people are truly ignorant to what a LEO can actually do. If a random LEO demanded to see my ID, I'd tell him or her to pound sand to the beat of my feet causally walking away because I know they don't have the authority to detain me and see my ID without PC.
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I don't get worked up over it. I don't "out" anyone. It doesn't affect my life in the least. I really could care less what anyone does as long as it doesn't impact me. Nothing anyone can say or do takes away from what we did. The other thing I have seen lately is bona fide veterans getting harassed. None of us should ever have to justify ourselves to anyone. So when I see someone who is obviously a pretender (I hate the term stolen valor because nothing is stolen), I just ignore them.
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"Stolen valor" is a crime if someone gets a tangible benefit, such as scholarship or VA loans
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People impersonate LEO,s to get authority and "stolen valors" get a ego boost
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For the same reason that we get very little actual respect as Veterans, those of us who maintain our bearing do not stand out as much as the loud arrogant arsehats among us who do more harm than good to the cause.
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Stolen Valor is unthinkable, but most of the people that do it have personality disorders. So it is normal behavior for someone in that condition. The rest of us cannot understand it, since we would never even think of doing it. Actually what these people need is psychiatric and psychological help. Medication, therapies, learning strategies, support from their Families, counseling, and a new way to approach life may help them become productive, constructive citizens.
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Impersonating a LEO is a crime because of the authority and power that they have. A LEO can detain you, search you, etc. military personnel can't do those things. Although i think it is horribly wrong for people to steal valor they cannot be punished for it unless they are personally/financially gaining from it. Even then, good luck proving it.
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Not the same, though I wish it were.
Law Enforcement have police powers in society, service members do not and cannot (Posse Comitatus Act). There's one big difference-maybe THE difference. The consequences of someone who pretends to be a cop can--and have--had more significant consequences. A SV-D Bag may walk in a parade or get an unearned discount at a store, but they won't convince someone to pull over on the road or that they are being arrested.
If it were up to me, I'd have much stronger laws regarding SV to curtail Joe Blow from publically playing make-believe in a military uniform, but it's not up to me. That's the purview of the Supreme Court.
Law Enforcement have police powers in society, service members do not and cannot (Posse Comitatus Act). There's one big difference-maybe THE difference. The consequences of someone who pretends to be a cop can--and have--had more significant consequences. A SV-D Bag may walk in a parade or get an unearned discount at a store, but they won't convince someone to pull over on the road or that they are being arrested.
If it were up to me, I'd have much stronger laws regarding SV to curtail Joe Blow from publically playing make-believe in a military uniform, but it's not up to me. That's the purview of the Supreme Court.
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SGT Dave Tracy
In your scenario, if they do access the PX, commissary and receive benefit from the con, or if they scam donations or get a military discount at Home Depot, etc., that is illegal, because one cannot profit from stolen valor. Now does it get criminally prosecuted much? Ehhhhh...I don't know, but in my opinion, THAT implication within your question is a very fair question indeed!
The only issue I have in your original question is you assert a sameness between LEO and military that does not legally or practically exist any more than comparing fake cops to fake firemen. Again, there is an imbalance in the potential harm caused by a fake, because LEO are Military are not the same nor do they have the same roll or legal authority.
The only issue I have in your original question is you assert a sameness between LEO and military that does not legally or practically exist any more than comparing fake cops to fake firemen. Again, there is an imbalance in the potential harm caused by a fake, because LEO are Military are not the same nor do they have the same roll or legal authority.
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SSG Carlos Madden
SGT Charles W. - I could be wrong but think this would be a crime - "Trespassing."
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SGT Dave Tracy
SFC Marcus Belt - Hmm...I almost never got ID'ed at Bliss (sometimes even in civies), McCoy or JBLM, but oddly enough, they were strict at the Aberdeen Proving Ground! LOL.
Go figure!
Go figure!
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SGT Charles W.
SGT Dave Tracy - SGT, I agree. But I think faking being a service member should be taken as serious as someone who impersonates a LEO, and that's where the rub is. Society doesn't. LEO's deserve the respect they earn, but dammit SGT, so do we! I'm not going to say it's not fair, because life isn't fair, but it is fucked up!
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