Posted on Jun 6, 2015
Why do some feel the need to shout about their religion?
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As of late I can't help but to see religion being screamed about the forums. That is great. I am proud you have the ability to do that but why do we some feel the need to shout how Awesome they are or to antagonize others for their perceived lack of faith. I just seems to me you want to feel persecuted. If you didn't care what others thought then why did you have to tell them in the first place?
I see so much lip service about it that it is reminds me of the pharisees. I remember something from my studies like "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector." Man, I can't help but to think why crazy that is to see someone say they are more awesome than someone else.
I think Gandhi said it best when he said “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
In the words of another "If they get offended THEN TOUGH!"
I see so much lip service about it that it is reminds me of the pharisees. I remember something from my studies like "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector." Man, I can't help but to think why crazy that is to see someone say they are more awesome than someone else.
I think Gandhi said it best when he said “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
In the words of another "If they get offended THEN TOUGH!"
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Great query. Some people are excited by the love of God. Some folks find themselves preaching and not living. Those are the sad situations. My goal is to let people see the Christ in me. If they like what they see, they will come. :-)
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That is the how it should be. I commend you are on. I would rather be known as a good person then just a guy that says he is a Christian.
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I'm with you on this one CPT (Join to see) , I am a believer and a Christian, but I tend to agree with Matthew 6:5 and 6:6
There is no need to make a public scene about your faith or just to be seen as religious. Rather, do it in the quiet of your room, in other words, your faith is between you and your god.
If you feel the need to be amongst your fellow believers, go to a church, which is the appropriate place for demonstrations of faith.
Proselytizing is getting old and a bit too much in RP.
There is no need to make a public scene about your faith or just to be seen as religious. Rather, do it in the quiet of your room, in other words, your faith is between you and your god.
If you feel the need to be amongst your fellow believers, go to a church, which is the appropriate place for demonstrations of faith.
Proselytizing is getting old and a bit too much in RP.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
And that's fine MAJ (Join to see) , the issue is when, as of late, we are having a surge of "christians" either decrying persecution, or "christians" talking down any other belief system, or "christians" willfully saying or doing things that go against their "christian tenets" in the same sentence where they claim to be "christians".
It appears to be some sort of competition now to see who is more "christian" than the next person by posting again and again.
Maybe RP should institute a way for us as visitors to choose what categories or tags we see in our feed.
It appears to be some sort of competition now to see who is more "christian" than the next person by posting again and again.
Maybe RP should institute a way for us as visitors to choose what categories or tags we see in our feed.
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MAJ (Join to see) What he is talking about is the same thing that I can't stand. It is the "Woe is me" Christian. They have life so rough. They can't post a bible quote to their government computer in a government building during the duties hours and they think the Devil is attacking them. Or if they bring it up fifty times at work and the fifty first time you tell them you don't want to hear about then know you are violating their right to freedom of religion. Those are the worst. Meanwhile, they think they are the Saints when they really don't accomplishing anything but to bring attention to themselves.
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA point well made and how true it is. The interesting thing that people forget is that 1) God blesses the just and the unjust. 2) there will be a multitude of "denominations" in heaven.
Folks will learn. Keep loving on those, jokers.
Folks will learn. Keep loving on those, jokers.
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The quick and easy (snarky) answer is "Insecurity".
But Christianity has as part of its core beliefs the urgent mission to go out and convert others-- as many as possible, as quickly as possible. They think they are offering us a chance to save our souls for eternal life, which is actually an act of compassion. From the point of view of a true-believing Christian, they are helping us out, doing us a huge favor... like reaching down to help someone clinging to the side of a cliff.
It is very difficult for them to comprehend how someone could turn away this "gift", or not see it for what it is. They may feel that their act has been treated with spite or contempt, so they get defensive. In their view, the gift of Christianity is so obvious and full of promise, only a spiteful person would turn it down.
They cannot comprehend how a lot of people in the world get along just fine without Christianity. We're perfectly happy, and in some cases I've met a lot of people who are actually *happier* without the burdens imposed on them by Christianity in particular or religion as a whole (or they adopt a different religion that they have found more meaningful).
But Christianity has as part of its core beliefs the urgent mission to go out and convert others-- as many as possible, as quickly as possible. They think they are offering us a chance to save our souls for eternal life, which is actually an act of compassion. From the point of view of a true-believing Christian, they are helping us out, doing us a huge favor... like reaching down to help someone clinging to the side of a cliff.
It is very difficult for them to comprehend how someone could turn away this "gift", or not see it for what it is. They may feel that their act has been treated with spite or contempt, so they get defensive. In their view, the gift of Christianity is so obvious and full of promise, only a spiteful person would turn it down.
They cannot comprehend how a lot of people in the world get along just fine without Christianity. We're perfectly happy, and in some cases I've met a lot of people who are actually *happier* without the burdens imposed on them by Christianity in particular or religion as a whole (or they adopt a different religion that they have found more meaningful).
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SGT Anthony Bussing
"They cannot comprehend how a lot of people in the world get along just fine without Christianity. We're perfectly happy, and in some cases I've met a lot of people who are actually *happier* without the burdens imposed on them by Christianity in particular or religion as a whole (or they adopt a different religion that they have found more meaningful)."
exactly how I feel...the day I left the church for real....my life was unburdened...for me, I believe it was the right choice to make...FOR ME...my daughter, who is a devote christian...feels otherwise...I encourage her to go to her curch services, same as I do my girlfriend who is also a devote christian...religion isnt for everyone...for those who are devote and feel as though religion is the best thing for them...great...more power to them...but in my personal life...I felt it wasnt right for me...ergo, I chose no longer to believe...and my life is just as happy and fulfilling as it was (more so, actually) then when I went to Mass every saunday...
exactly how I feel...the day I left the church for real....my life was unburdened...for me, I believe it was the right choice to make...FOR ME...my daughter, who is a devote christian...feels otherwise...I encourage her to go to her curch services, same as I do my girlfriend who is also a devote christian...religion isnt for everyone...for those who are devote and feel as though religion is the best thing for them...great...more power to them...but in my personal life...I felt it wasnt right for me...ergo, I chose no longer to believe...and my life is just as happy and fulfilling as it was (more so, actually) then when I went to Mass every saunday...
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This is one of the best responses I have seen on RallyPoint. I still attend a church of which I don't care to share the affiliation. But I still don't really fall in line in what is perceived to be the popular faiths. I don't need too. I have been fine without. I grew tired of he burdens and hypocrites long ago.
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The rest of the parable was that the tax collector asked for mercy Luke 18:9-13. I like to remind my fellow Christians and those Sunday Morning 9AM to Noon Sunday Bible Thumping Christians as well, practice what you preach and leave the judging to God; setting the example is better than preaching the example you are not following. We all fall short of God's glory in God's eyes, therefore I just pray for people and that God forgives them. Next time you CPT (Join to see) encounter a the latter I mentioned, just ask them when condemning what the perceive as a persons lack of faith, if they remember this from the seminary they attended: " Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check." James 3:1-2 I love you just the same and I will pray for you.
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CPT (Join to see) . I see a lot of posts both advocating and slamming religion and Christianity. I certainly do not start them but will occasionally enter them. There is so much passion about it because it gets to the heart of who we are, what we believe, our world view etc. That is for believers (of all faiths) and non believers too.
I have had good, positive discussions and I have had some not so good. Should I stand by when someone creates a thread of accusing Christians of supporting a child molester? Should I not respond to a thread where it is asked Does God Exist? I attempt to be non confrontational on them but when you grapple with such a volatile issue (for some) it can be difficult.
Christians are not commanded to keep their faith to themselves. They are told to spread the word as the apostles did. Is RP the right place to do it? Fair question. If RP is okay for transgendered hero worship is it okay for matter of faith? Faith is far more important to many who serve than LBGT issues.
Nice quote from Gandhi. He doesn't like Christians. Insert any other ethnic group in there and it wouldn't be nearly as well received.
I have had good, positive discussions and I have had some not so good. Should I stand by when someone creates a thread of accusing Christians of supporting a child molester? Should I not respond to a thread where it is asked Does God Exist? I attempt to be non confrontational on them but when you grapple with such a volatile issue (for some) it can be difficult.
Christians are not commanded to keep their faith to themselves. They are told to spread the word as the apostles did. Is RP the right place to do it? Fair question. If RP is okay for transgendered hero worship is it okay for matter of faith? Faith is far more important to many who serve than LBGT issues.
Nice quote from Gandhi. He doesn't like Christians. Insert any other ethnic group in there and it wouldn't be nearly as well received.
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I think Gandhi did like what Christians should be. There is so much vitriol with religion you could see why he would say that. You are right that it open forum. But when someone says that Islam is the devils or that he uses Islam for his work you are crossing a few lines there.
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Cpl Jeff N.
He liked them only if they behaved the way he felt they should. Again, insert any other racial, ethnic or religious group in that quote and it could be racist or bigoted. Gandhi was a human being like the rest of us.
The operating reality is that from a world religion perspective, they cannot all be right. If, for example, you are a Christian, Christ says, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me" John 14. That means there is only one way to God, through Christ. It sets up a collision of world religions.
They all believe they are the way. Some may think their are many ways (polytheists) but monotheists believe there is only one way. Atheists think there is no way as there is no God.
If Christ's Gospels are true, then Islam cannot be true. That is a simple truth from a world religion perspective. It is also true that if Mohammed was correct, the Gospel of Christ is a dead religion.
The operating reality is that from a world religion perspective, they cannot all be right. If, for example, you are a Christian, Christ says, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me" John 14. That means there is only one way to God, through Christ. It sets up a collision of world religions.
They all believe they are the way. Some may think their are many ways (polytheists) but monotheists believe there is only one way. Atheists think there is no way as there is no God.
If Christ's Gospels are true, then Islam cannot be true. That is a simple truth from a world religion perspective. It is also true that if Mohammed was correct, the Gospel of Christ is a dead religion.
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CPT Pedro Meza
Cpl Jeff N. - Or it's interpretation I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me" means the practice of the teachings which are similar in many religions, and Atheist; God does not discriminate but we do.
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Cpl Jeff N.
CPT Pedro Meza. God does discriminate between believers an unbelievers. He also elects who he choses to elect. See an excerpt from Romans 9 below. One need only read His Word to know this. How does the John 14 verse apply to an atheist or other religions?
From Romans 9:
Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
From Romans 9:
Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
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1LT Eric Rosa, Gandhi, was right, a lot of So called Christians act and behave more Anti-Christ by their refusal to practice the teachings of Jesus. These people judge and quote verses in the bible jumping from Old Testament to New Testament to justify their behavior and judgement, in doing this they fail the Teachings because they are driven by desire a form of lust to be win. This is kind of a short men syndrome, perhaps they are weak in their faith!
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I'm atheist, with a complete lack of religion. There's NO WAY this applies to me, so I'm automatically better than all of those people, and therefor above even commenting here!
Seriously, I like to 'represent' not any creed or code, but myself, because to some of us, that's all we have, and it's not that bad. I behave like I do because I think I'm right, as do most people think their right. And I'm definitely not above misconceptions or misrepresentations that others commit. But I can honestly say there is a minimum of this, and outside of directly religious discussions, I have no religious comment. So, naturally, I instinctively resist other's attempt to inject their faith into a perceived unrelated conversation.
So, I shout my values because they're important to me, and I think they're relevant (hence the hypothetical shouting). Does this answer the question?
"If they get offended THEN TOUGH!" Love this. More of this.
Seriously, I like to 'represent' not any creed or code, but myself, because to some of us, that's all we have, and it's not that bad. I behave like I do because I think I'm right, as do most people think their right. And I'm definitely not above misconceptions or misrepresentations that others commit. But I can honestly say there is a minimum of this, and outside of directly religious discussions, I have no religious comment. So, naturally, I instinctively resist other's attempt to inject their faith into a perceived unrelated conversation.
So, I shout my values because they're important to me, and I think they're relevant (hence the hypothetical shouting). Does this answer the question?
"If they get offended THEN TOUGH!" Love this. More of this.
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CPT Pedro Meza
SPC Kyle Kinas, Kyle you display more Jesus teaching then a lot of those that call themselves Christian. We can agree to that given Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi that taught valuable lessons.
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Everybody has pride in something and for some it's their religion. Power them
Some people are proud and exuberant over, say, a blue braided cord or a certain black and gold tab, or crossed wig wags or a combat patch. Names have been omitted to protect the affectionately guilty. :-)
Some people are proud and exuberant over, say, a blue braided cord or a certain black and gold tab, or crossed wig wags or a combat patch. Names have been omitted to protect the affectionately guilty. :-)
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In the defense of those individuals, whose names were omitting, seeing how this is a civilian forum that caters to those in the military it would seem like the place for it. Do you think they would go to a website that is more inclined to their interests? Going to a NFL game in hope of talking to someone about FIFA is a bit of a miss.
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I can't be the only one that is noticing this. I feel like I did when I went to a fair in Wilmington last year. I was there with my wife and daughter and these 3 Christian street preachers had some pretty loud speakers and were yelling about how bad the world is, how they are prosecuted, and all of that rhetoric. It was so loud my daughter had to cover her ear from about 50 feet away. I am sure they went home and felt good about shouting about sin and how bad it is to be gay at a food fair.
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CPT Pedro Meza
SPC Angel Guma, they more like they are being persecuted and then go on attack mode with those that they are breaking their religion beliefs.
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