Posted on Aug 6, 2015
SGM Steve Wettstein
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This is a great example of a leader trying to make their own rules and not following established guidance. Also, why is this CSM wearing an airborne tab over his First Army SSI-FWTS (combat patch)? Calling bullshit on that one.

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/08/05/csm-contradicts-camo-roll-out-policy-fuels-confusion/31177599/#
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Stuff like this kills me. I read something about how CSM are trying to write and establish policy. That is not their function. Command policies should come from commanders. The commanders should work with their NCOs to develop their polices and the need for them. So many I have seen 1SGs go out and just make stuff up. It is insane when you seen different companies in the same battalion that are all held to different standards. I had a 1SG try to act as the Commander once. It didn't go down very well. I just spoke to my CO and the 1SG felt that he was going to do what he though was better without consulting the commander. I think NCOs are great and they do great things but they are not commanders. All I want to do is be an Officer. I don't want to be an NCO. So I stay out of NCO business so I expect NCOs staying out of Officer business.
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CW5 Regimental Chief Warrant Officer
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I think sometimes its an ego/pride thing. At Ft. Riley when ACUs came out, it was mandated that 1AD people get the ACU right away. Essentially, no formation would be mixed. However, in my BDE, 1ID, my BN CSM went the opposite way. We had a recruiter come to the unit and had nothing but ACU. He was told to go get BDU as we were all going to be the same.

I really don't get it. Wearing the same thing in garrison during a transitional period does nothing to ensure that more bad guys die and less of us get hurt. Lets focus on those two factors when making harebrained decisions.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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CW5 (Join to see) Chief thank you for your reply. the only time formations shouldn't be mixed is for a ceremony (unless it is put out that it is ok). As for that recruiter being made to get BDUs, I would have been telling someone they need to give me some money to buy them.
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SGT William Howell
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I am pretty sure I never went against whatever any CSM said. He could have told me to show in formation in a thong, an M9 and rubber gloves. Guess what SGT Howell would have showed up for formation in?
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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SGT William Howell Thank you for your reply. I totally agree with your statement on doing what the CSM says. This particular CSM says no OCP until 1 Jan 16 and that is what almost everyone is going to do.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Unfortunately I can't access the article/site from work

Uniform policies could be dictated on availability also. We got a partial issue of ACUs at MOB Station in July 2005 but our command in defense of uniformity wanted to wait until everyone had ACUs before authorizing their wear. We were in country and received the remainder of the issue in Dec 2005 so the command allowed everyone to wear them in Jan 2006.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca First off thank you for your reply. Next, the only time these uniforms can be dictated is for ceremonies. This was the same for the BDU to ACU change over. The problem is that CSMs really hate it when everyone doesn't look the same.
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WHen the Marine Corps went from Woodlands to Digi's, my command rules that every formation was a ceremony, therefore everyone was woodlands. When the first boots arrived with only digi's, that shit went out the window.
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