Posted on Oct 19, 2021
Why do you think 15 minutes prior to 15 Minutes prior exists to such a level that virtually the whole military has accepted it as standard?
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We've all heard it, regardless of branch or unit we have all heard "Be here 15 minutes prior". So much so that people even stop saying it just expect you to be there 15 minutes before any scheduled formation or event.
The reason why is obvious, your leadership wants to ensure you're there.
How did 15 minutes prior to 15 minutes prior to 15 minutes prior become a thing that most of us can laugh about because we've experienced it?
Has anyone experienced or witnessed units try and punish Soldiers for not being 15 minutes prior but still showing up on time?
To tell my own story I have seen a unit try and punish its Soldier for showing up for example at 0652 instead of 0645 with a report time of 0700 only to be denied by JAG because no official order was given and a general expectation can't be substituted with an order.
I have also seen discussed that the military expectation of "15 Minutes Prior" may be a cause for Civilian employers incorrectly telling their employees that they are "required" to be at work 15 minutes early without being paid.
So what are your thoughts on this? Is it all the fault of some Joe's who were too late too often and ruined it for us all or is it just an inherent culture of I can't be wrong for higher so be here earlier than early?
The reason why is obvious, your leadership wants to ensure you're there.
How did 15 minutes prior to 15 minutes prior to 15 minutes prior become a thing that most of us can laugh about because we've experienced it?
Has anyone experienced or witnessed units try and punish Soldiers for not being 15 minutes prior but still showing up on time?
To tell my own story I have seen a unit try and punish its Soldier for showing up for example at 0652 instead of 0645 with a report time of 0700 only to be denied by JAG because no official order was given and a general expectation can't be substituted with an order.
I have also seen discussed that the military expectation of "15 Minutes Prior" may be a cause for Civilian employers incorrectly telling their employees that they are "required" to be at work 15 minutes early without being paid.
So what are your thoughts on this? Is it all the fault of some Joe's who were too late too often and ruined it for us all or is it just an inherent culture of I can't be wrong for higher so be here earlier than early?
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SGM (Join to see)
This.
Because every unit has a jackass who can't show up on time, even if they live in the barracks.
Because every unit has a jackass who can't show up on time, even if they live in the barracks.
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There was a colonial regular that was late to formation and General Washington lost is mind.
So it's been that way ever since.
So it's been that way ever since.
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SPC (Join to see)
General Washington already had a lot to deal with, he just couldn't tolerate tardiness on top of all of the rest.
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MSG (Join to see) has it exactly right. Once a sergeant or officer gets their ass chewed for one of their folks being late, then the 15 minuets prior rule goes into effect. Of course, it rolls downhill, so each successive layer of command bumps the show time up to make sure they are covered. Consequently, the Soldiers end up showing up 6 hours before the C-130s arrive for the airdrop mission. They do some training for the jump, but mostly spend a lot of time sitting around. But by God they are all ready to get on the aircraft when their squad leaders tell them to. I always felt sort of sorry for them, but remembered that we (the aircrew) showed up 3 hours before takeoff for a briefing 2 hours before takeoff, so we could be at the aircraft 1 hour before takeoff. We started engines 30 minuets before takeoff so we could get in line and taxi to the runway looking well organized. One reason why? Wing Commanders were graded on the number of on-time takeoffs, not the number of on-time deliveries to the destination or drop zone.
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