Posted on May 18, 2016
Why does QMP message say soldier has 7 months to get out but it's actually 6 or less by time of notification?
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I was notified May 3rd that I have till 1 November to leave the service and never be able to serve again due to overweight 3 years ago. With 60 days saved leave that puts me at 4 months to find a new career after serving 11 years.
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I don't know my unit went to reset everytime the 1sg changed. so myself and other solders got lucky I guess
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SSG if you have any questions about how to put together a federal resume let me know. Maybe I can help you out. Service doesn't have to end when you take off the uniform.
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I'm confident you knew the Ht/Wt/Fitness standards within that 3 year period...likely earlier on than later. As an NCO; rather, ESPECIALLY, as an NCO you have little excuse in this situation since you are a standard bearer. I have little empathy for you in this circumstance. Under my Command and the guidance of a remarkable 1SG we took a Company from a 185 avg on the APFT and 38% overweight to a unit with a 295 PT avg and 0 overweights...separating none! However, we abided by regulations, policy and applied swift leadership principles to develop the best leaders possible from E-1 to O-3 in a Company of 140+ soldiers. Many of those E-4's/-5's are now E-7's/-8's or officers. Best of luck to you!
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SSG (Join to see)
What year was that sir? I am not saying that your feat is not impressive, but in today's Army we are looking at what is wrong with a Soldier before we ask ourselves what is right with that Soldier. If you ask the question, is this Soldier worth it? You have a good chance at saving careers/
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There has got to be more to this story, being enrolled in the weight control program three years ago and one poor NCOER isn't going to automatically qualify a Soldier for QMP.
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SSG (Join to see)
1SG are you currently serving? I hope you are right, because if so we all have to walk on eggshells.
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1SG John Aaron
One fault or mistake (depending upon severity) will not get you QMPed. There has to be a history of mediocre performance to warrant a QMP. Not knowing the individual or all of the circumstances doesn't help.
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Rebekah Corcoran
Not true. All it takes is one. They are using it as a force reduction tool even if they say they aren't. Note how it says "A" as in "singular." My husband has one 4-4 in his record from five years ago and came down on this list. We meet with JAG tomorrow to see our options. He has had a great career since that review. He angered the wrong person doing the right thing. The person he angered others were incredibly intimidated by. He has letters of recommendation from every command team since, promoted in position to plt. sgt, SHARP rep, operations NCOIC and they are still kicking him out. I helped him put together the appeal and packet and I have seen every NCOER he has gotten since, including his most recent which is stellar and says, "promote ahead of peers" and "SSG serving in SFC spot" etc. Yet, because of the one 4-4 NCOER with all values checked yes and no supporting documentation, he's still be released.
COs are considered for denial of continued service under one of three circumstances.
• U.S. Army Human Resources Command, or HRC, receives negative material for inclusion in a Soldier's Army Military Human Resource Record, or AMHRR. That material can include a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, a court-martial, an Article 15, a negative NCOER, or Service School Academic Evaluation Report indicating Noncommissioned Officer Education System, or NCOES, failure.
• The Army's deputy chief of staff, G-1, or designee, approves a request from the Soldier's commander with General Court-Martial Convening Authority, or a referral to a QMP screening board from the HRC commander or his designee.
• The NCO fails to qualify for promotion consideration to the next grade without completing the appropriate level of NCOES training within 48 months of promotion.
To whom does the QMP process not apply?
NCOs in the rank of staff sergeant and sergeant major or command sergeant major (E6-E9) are not subject to QMP if:
• They have an approved retirement.
• They were previously retained on active duty by a QMP board, as long as no new basis for QMP has been documented since the earlier determination.
• They hold the rank of sergeant major or command sergeant major and are within two years of the retention control point for their rank.
• They are promotable to the next higher grade when the basis for the QMP consideration was filed in the AMHRR and was included in the official file seen by the promotion board.
COs are considered for denial of continued service under one of three circumstances.
• U.S. Army Human Resources Command, or HRC, receives negative material for inclusion in a Soldier's Army Military Human Resource Record, or AMHRR. That material can include a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, or GOMOR, a court-martial, an Article 15, a negative NCOER, or Service School Academic Evaluation Report indicating Noncommissioned Officer Education System, or NCOES, failure.
• The Army's deputy chief of staff, G-1, or designee, approves a request from the Soldier's commander with General Court-Martial Convening Authority, or a referral to a QMP screening board from the HRC commander or his designee.
• The NCO fails to qualify for promotion consideration to the next grade without completing the appropriate level of NCOES training within 48 months of promotion.
To whom does the QMP process not apply?
NCOs in the rank of staff sergeant and sergeant major or command sergeant major (E6-E9) are not subject to QMP if:
• They have an approved retirement.
• They were previously retained on active duty by a QMP board, as long as no new basis for QMP has been documented since the earlier determination.
• They hold the rank of sergeant major or command sergeant major and are within two years of the retention control point for their rank.
• They are promotable to the next higher grade when the basis for the QMP consideration was filed in the AMHRR and was included in the official file seen by the promotion board.
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man its pretty easy to stay within weight while in the military PT alone is forced weightloss. Im not going to bash you but this is your fault no one elses. Hopefully your soldiers see you as an example and strive to not be overweight.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
I am overweight too according to the Army SSG Santana. The Army says that 5 feet, 9 inches tall.. I'm only aloud to weigh 184lb.. however, I'm 221lbs.. and I'm still in the Army. Soldiers, you can be big and overweight like me.. you just have to be the right kind of big and overweight. GYM time!!
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I haven't verified my membership so you won't be able to find me on rally point. I retired after 23+ years of service. The last four or five years, I was constantly fighting the overweight issue after I was assigned to a TRADOC unit (long hours and piss poor PT program = weight problems). I still had to deal the regulations and meet the minimum qualifications. With that said, I don't know your entire history so I can't comment on your case specifically. Your leadership can't ignore US Army policy nor do they have control over the QMP board. The QMP board like the promotion board doesn't always have all the information they should have when they make decisions about the future of a soldier. They act based on the information they have and make decisions the best they can. Remember, you have 4 months before you are looking to find a new career. Get every medical issue documented and your dental taken care of. I don't know your MOS but make sure your get the resume class and look for external resources (Wounded warrior program and welcome home resumes) to prepare yourself for the future. It is a fact of life that the democrats downsize the military and the republicans reward it. If your military career is over, take advantage of everything you can and move on.
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You definitely need to contact your local ARCC (Army Reserve Career Counselor) to look at continuing your career in the Reserves. They will be able to do one of two things for you. Option A is to reenlist you into the TPU program as a drilling Reservist with a unit. Option B is to reenlist you into the IRR. There are advantages to moving to a TPU position. As a drilling Reservist, you can continue your career and progress. Additionally there are programs available to you such as P3 which will assist you in landing civilian employment. Option B is a good one to consider if you are not ready to commit to a TPU position. It will offer you the chance to enter a TPU position when you feel you are ready but still offer progression in the IRR. If you have trouble meeting with an ARCC at your current duty station, feel free to contact me and I'll help you make the contact you need.
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MSG (Join to see)
When they do a QMP board, they usually look back at at least 5 evals which can easily be within the last 3 years. Additionally they can look back at everything that happened in the same pay grade, regardless of time. I lost a troop a year or so ago, he had a fat NCOER with a 4/4 AND he had GOMAR. Legal assistance told him to get ready for the change. Sad to see the tide has risen such that they are taking out ones with one ding, but that is the way the Army is going.
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