Why does QMP message say soldier has 7 months to get out but it's actually 6 or less by time of notification?

First of all you are talking about perception and not fact. For what you erroneously believe to be the QMP process to like the entire board (or at least those three who review an individuals packet) would have to conspire to violate the published standards of the board. That, my friend, is NOT going to happen. Records are pulled based on HT/WT, ART 15, failed NCOES, "No" values check and the board reviews them. If ahead of time the board says that any of those Soldiers who have any of the things mentioned while in their current grade get a QMP notice, how is that not fair and "good ole boys club"?

SSG (Join to see) - I understand that, and I wish you the absolute best of luck. Some people are amazing Soldiers, and some people are better as civilians supporting the DoD. We get that a lot, where people might not always be up to snuff but they are technically savvy. Unfortunately, in those cases, we just have to shake their hand and thank them for their service.

Then treat them with the utmost dignity and help them transition to civilian life and hopefully find them a job.

SSG (Join to see) - The board retained him because they felt that the GOMAR that initially was the cause for his QMP was not warranted. You still can appeal the QMP. You may be able to do it successfully by showing that since that time your performance has been exemplary. The purpose of the QMP is to rid the Army of Soldiers who have shown that they do not possess the potential for continued service. If since that NCOER you have performed well, base your appeal on that fact. Simply show that you have shown the ability to perform well and you may be retained. The QMP has to look at something so they look at HT/WT, PT, failed NCOES, ART-15, "NO" Values check. If it happened in your current grade you are eligible. If this happened as a SGT you would not have been eligible because your promotion to SGS showed you had the potential. Although I agree with other who say you need to get ready to transition, you should at least try the appeal process. At this point it can't hurt.

Here is the text of a letter I wrote for a SSG who was on last year's QMP list. As you read it note his accomplishments since the incident that resulted in his QMP. After his appeal was sent in he was retained.

Read the second paragraph. After getting in trouble and getting a FG ART-15 he excelled at everything. In addition to this letter he got one from the Division CSM stating that he was the runner up for DIV NCO of the year. He also provided information that the board already had such as: NCOERs letters of commendation and awards that attested to his stellar performance.

Yes, you can "beat" a QMP. It isn't easy, but if you can show that you are not the guy that the Army needs to get rid of you can be retained.
Now if you were overweight and since that time your performance has been middle-of-the road you will likely NOT be retained, but it is worth a shot.

I will copy this to a response to the original post so more see it.

1. SSG XXXX receives my highest recommendation for continued service as a highly valued Leader within the US Army. If the purpose of the QMP program is to rid the Army of leaders with no further leadership potential, he must be retained. Despite his identification for QMP by the program’s automatic filters, his outstanding performance demands that we fight for his retention. He is a Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) that has exhibited a proven ability to handle the duties and responsibilities above his current rank of Staff Sergeant and he has the potential to rise to the highest ranks of the NCO Corps. He is a valued and relied upon member of our Brigade Combat Team (BCT).

2. Since his arrival to XXXX, SSG XXXX performance has been among the top 1% of the NCOs across the Brigade’s seven battalions. He was selected as our Brigade NCO of the Year and will represent the Brigade at the Division NCO of the Year event and higher. He earned such distinction because of his proven ability and success, as well as the beneficial impact and influence he has on peers, subordinates, seniors, and the entire organization. His leadership skills and professionalism is beyond that of his peers. He constantly demonstrates the foresight to anticipate requirements, and a talent for identifying future opportunities and/or obstacles. He does not just identify issues, he solves problems and teaches others to do so as well. He is in outstanding physical shape. He is a consummate team player. He is a resilient and tough NCO. As a Combat Engineer NCO, he is of even greater value to the BCT as the Brigade is poised to re-activate the Engineer Battalion into its formation. His leadership and MOS expertise is needed to re-integrate the engineer capabilities into a team that focuses on both the Wide Area Security and Combined Arms Maneuver mission scenarios. He also competed in, and finished third place in the Division Best Sapper competition, during which the contestants covered 50 miles in 50 hours. His tenacity, fitness and determination were on display.

3. SSG XXXX is a competent and capable leader with unlimited potential. He builds trusting teams by demonstrating a genuine concern for others, while simultaneously pushing his team to greater levels of success. He consistently performs at a level above his rank. His advanced leadership competencies and attributes provide a rock-solid foundation for his unbounded potential to handle increased challenges, duties, and responsibilities. SSG XXXX receives my highest recommendation to be retained for continued service. This recommendation is not easily earned, and it is based solely upon merit. SSG XXXX recommendation results from observed professionalism, performance, and determination.

That's stupid

This is the problem we are facing. You can't see how somebody who is not in compliance with a regulation as being "marginal". I have seen NCOs get 4 excellences and 1 Needs Improvement.

Remember that the "marginal" check is in reference to service in positions of greater responsibility. I am of the opinion that if you can't be responsible enough to maintain YOURSELF you have very little chance of setting the example and be responsible for other people. But then again, I am harsh.

SSG (Join to see) - There is nothing in that bullet that warrants an "excellence".

How can you say someone that is flagged for being overweight has been "successful?"

In that case, there should not be ONE SINGLE OVERWEIGHT senior ranking person in the military. We've all seen fat boys and girls of every senior rank, who in NO WAY IN HELL could make tape. But there they are, SFC, 1SG, SGM/CSM or MAJ, LTC, COL. By what you two are saying, these ranks should NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER be fat. At all. Ever.

You can not take a PT test with an alt event unless you do have a perm. profile. If you can't run Temp..... You are on a Temp profile.....NO PT test

SFC (Join to see) - You can take an alternate event if you have a temporary profile of long duration (more than three months).

Not for record.

AR 350-1 G-9m "For Soldiers on a permanent profile or an extended temporary profile (more than three months), a record test must include an aerobic event." So yes, you can take a record APFT with a temporary profile. You can also look at AR 350-1 para G-9m(8) and FM 7-22 para A41.

SSG (Join to see) - There is not a legal appeal but there is an appeal to the QMP

Most civilians won't know what RE4 means. As long as his DD-214 says honorable they don't care. DoD contract jobs may be different, I don't know that world. SSG Santana, I feel your pain. I was seperated against my will as well. Don't let the bitterness build up. Remember the good times and keep moving forward.

Its not the overweight it is the marginal NCOER.

Come to the Guard and get a Tech job. Best thing I ever did as a SFC with 11 years I left active and made the transition. Good luck brother

Since the NCOER I have been able to control the size of my waist and have not had any issues with weight. Even though this was years back the, I submitted DA5500 and letters from Seniors and peers, but I guess all that did not matter to the board and made the decision not to retain. By the way I have also not had issues Passing my APFT, it was just the size of my waist issue that has ended my carrer.

I follow, please do trust me and at least just ask about the belts they are very real , those doing your eval might not know about them and you I just thought might have nothing to lose by trying that's all I was thinking honest. Also, aikido does work, promise, if you're diligent about it, I assure you.

Capt Daniel Goodman - Why on god's green earth are you advocating a lap band for someone who is controlling their weight? Are you mad?

I'm sorry, I evidently misunderstood; I'd assumed he was having a weight problem, and, for that reason, suggested that he might possibly be interested in the nonsurgical lap band belts my wife and I had gotten for me, that do NOT involve surgery , honest. I've been mentioning them on the site for some time now, on the off chance others on here trying to lose weight might possibly benefit from them as I did, honest? I'm genuinely sorry for any misunderstanding, truly, the belts got me down from 342 lbs to about 257 lbs or so, the only inconvenience is that they need to be fitted by clinicians never by the patient certainly, theyre extremely comfortable and based on apparently good science two papers on their site I had read, one from the US, one from the UK. I just also didn't know if the svcs or VA knew of them , they've been widely advertised on cable TV on long island where my wife and are, sorry for any confusion, of course.

If you land in the overweight program and successfully loose the weight, you retain an inactive code for 36 months. The QMP process is getting very strict and they're are looking at EVERYTHING to separate you from your peers. Seems that for his MOS that was the criteria.