Why does security now trump liberty? Is this complementary to the values of Founders?

No. While we take "legal actions" against unlawful combatants (instead of execution or imprisonment until cessation of hostilities) we treat our civil population as if they were at war. While treating the enemy as common criminals. This results in the legalistic treatment of enemy combatants and the restricted liberty of sovereign citizens. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security will enjoy neither". I believe this war has been won before against the "Musselmen" in Tripoli who were kidnapping a enslaving Americans in Tripoli. If our Federal forces can't fight this war the President should grant letters of Marquee against non-state enemy organizations like ISIS and Al Queda.

If we're talking immigration being restricted, those who are not citizens of the USA have no inherent right to come here.
If we're talking generalities, I don't believe being inconvenienced is equivalent to losing those freedoms guaranteed by our constitution.

The threat to the core values of any society comes from within rather than from direct onslaught from the outside.

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”


― Benjamin Franklin

And, one more thing. You choice of words. "trump"

Not sure there is an easy or even a good answer to the question. The enemy we face is different than what we have ever faced before. There is not a cohesive, uniformed, military force we can stand against, but an enemy without, and increasingly, within who likes to hide in plain sight. His weapons are not planes, tanks and ships, but IEDs, suicide vests, men, women and children willing to give their lives to attempt to bring terror to our towns and villages. The question then is not one of security trumping liberty, but how do we ensure security while protecting liberty. We are in a war, make no mistake of that, one unlike any we have fought before, and one where for the first time since 1812, where we have enemy combatants on American soil. We will overcome, of that I have no doubt, but to do so, we will have to improvise and adapt. Mistakes will be made, but as long as we adjust and improve our tactics, we will win. Not easily, not soon, and certainly not without cost, but in time.

Liberty doesn't do you much good if you're dead. That's where security comes in.

Here a link to a group. The article is about what isgoing on in Germanyhttp://powderedwigsociety.com/so-long-germany/

Was just reading a few of these posts and a thought just popped into my mind. Looks like prophecy is being full filled. Wow me may actually see it all in our lifetime. He says we will not know the day nor the hour, but we will know the season. From everything I have seen tis the season.

I used to live in Dallas Texas. One day while waiting for a bus downtown I saw white van pull into a parking garage under a high rise a few blocks away, moments later I saw three black suburbans with dark tinted windows pull in the same entrance to the parking area. Later that night on the news I learned the white van was loaded with explosives. Thank you Jesus there where those there to protect not just me but everyone else that would have been in the blast radious. Would not be here today. No I don't agree with the Patriot act allowing warrantless wiretaps but we also allow anyone into our country. With that in mind how do we at the same time be a nation of immigrants yet at the same time be a nation with freedoms and liberties. Do we shut down all boarders and start rounsing up all refugees from a particular demographic say Muslims from certain countries. What is the solution? A solution that allows us to keep our heritage, a solution that allows us to keep letting anyone move here yet a solution that keeps us safe and free. I am 56 and this world has changed so much it isn't the same, can't imagine what it'll be like in another fifty years. I do believe that with every problem there is a solution but what and I believe that is what this thread is about people discussion there views and opinions who knows maybe even a viable solution we can all live with.