Posted on Sep 6, 2015
CSM Carl Cunningham
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I have worked with all the services frequently during my career. I see the ups and downs in each service. The Army seems to have the biggest attitude towards itself though. I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love. Some may disagree this is true, but I do not think I am off base by stating this.

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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
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I cannot comment on the Troops you lead... seems it could be a leadership issue. Usually is a leadership issue when it comes to esprit de corps. In my time, the units with the best leaders had as much pride in their Army as any. Sure, the Marine Dress uniforms looked nicer than our Dress Blues... but that's for show. Marines are drilled into their heads they're the best... and the US Army Cavalry, with our stetson's and spurs, were just as bad ass. I had the misfortune to change my MOS from 19D to 16T... I went from being a well tuned Porche to being part of a wagon train. Leadership determines how well a Unit runs... it's not the Troop... it's the leaders.
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SPC Franklin McKown
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Our pride is found in or numerous victories on the battlefield,we aren't REALLY spit and polish parade boys ,anyway.Some are, take the Old Guard,THEY are better at pride and uniforms,BAT NONE.But victory is synonymous with killing bad guys and right now the kids are whining about that.True we save more than we kill but the Tard Progs only know "War Bad" .
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SSG Ralph Watkins
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Having been Army & then assigned to the Marines in Fallujah, there is a huge difference. The Marines breed warriors. They are the pinnacle fighting force. And they maintain that pride. There is very little politics, red tape, & the normal BS one encounters with the Army. The Marines put the mission & nation on top. The Army on the other hand is often used for show. Imagine little toy soldiers. It's filled with red tape, politics, garrison creature comforts, & tons of BS. Marines are constantly training for missions. Army tends to give it's people all kinds of stupid tasks to keep them busy. Looking good in the Army takes precedence over being good. Marines do so much to boost morale in order to maintain the best fighting force int he world. The Army just wants to look good & do an okay job.
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CPL Linda B.
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Taking pride in one's commitment to protect our country at any cost was what I was taught
After all the enemies certainly is -
I was willing to pay the ultimate cost and I knew it when I enlisted.
*perhaps it's something that is part of you before you even enlist.
Basic training was hard and so is serving but I would do it again.
we have freedoms to fight for and none of them are free and if we don't stick together in unity and have pride in what we do then why are we doing it.!?
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Cpl James R. " Jim" Gossett Jr
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SGM Carl, I think that would be up to each individual...We basically had it instilled in us...
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
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Men respond to the standards that are demanded of them. The Marines have, long, had a history of demanding extreme performance, because their lives and success of the mission has always depended on it.

In specialized combat units of the Army (Special Forces, Rangers, Paratroops), you can see a similar Esprit de Corps. The lives of the unit rely on 100% performance by the members. "If you won't give it, get the hell out." As you get farther from the Combat Arms, emphasis gravitates to be more on Job Proficiency, rather than Esprit de Corps.

Now, take the Air Force. They can seem to operate in such an "Office Atmosphere" that I have wondered how they can ever motivate their troops to bust their backs. But if you have ever seen the Proficiency of a Loadmaster in the back end of a C-130, you will soon realize that this is a man who you CAN trust with your cargo, your life, and a multi-million dollar aircraft. So the bottom line is, "No. You will never make a Marine out of a common Soldier or Airman, but we all get the job done in our own ways"
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PO1 Curtis Bunnell
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I don't think any branch of the military has more pride than any other. We may express it in different ways. We all sign that contract, and all take the oath. We all give that blank check to the government that includes our lives to protect our country. We all obey the orders given. I am a Vietnam veteran and got out of the service when I came home. Years later, I went back in the service, wound up involved in the hostage rescue attempt under President Carter, and later was in the Persian gulf. I finally retired under President Clinton.
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SFC Robert Walton
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CSM Carl Cunningham I respect all Services their ability to be proud and be the best at what they do. However each and everyone of them are different I am proud for each one and would fight for each one. Now May I remind you the Army is spread far and wide and is a huge collective of individuals with a massive amount of diverse units so the pride sometime flows down individual small units. For the Army to show Army wide the pride and dedication that the other services have would be an entire Mission in its self and would take away from the Army's collective Mission. We have branches that for the most part are unheard of or non existent. How do you show your pride? Well with a plaque you hang on the wall in your man cave after you get out. We have entire branches that are dedicated to just Ordinance, Infantry, Armor, Artillery, Supply, Transportation, just to name a few. We have Army National Gard and Reserves that if someone didn't tell you about you would not know they exist. Now with that said it is simpler for you to have Great pride at a smaller unit level than over all Army. All are proud of the Army but as far as Army being shown I think it is better to keep it on a Smaller level. We just celebrated our 244th Birthday June 14th. For the Marines 244 Yrs Nov. 10th 2019. Navy Oct. 13 2019 244yrs. Air Force Sept. 18th 2019 72yrs. Coast Guard Aug. 4th 2019 227 Yrs. I think we all have tons of pride and for good reason. Last but not least Yes we have some Soldiers that bad mouth the Army as I have heard some of the same things said from all the other branches of the Military that will never change in my opinion because many of the people that enlist are not ready for the real world. JUST MY TWO CENTS
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CPL Sharon Fahey
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We do take pride. Just because we aren't used in posters, parades and props doesn't mean we lack pride in our branch of service. Like the Marines, we all work hard and don't look for modeling career opportunities. Mission first!
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MGySgt Jerry Suarez
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I'm a retired Marine and yes while all think all Marines are proud of being a Marine that just is not true. Just like any service each one has its pluses and minuses. However while being on recruiting duty that is when I came to understand that each person joins a particular service for their own reasons and while we have the reputation of being the toughest and the best I have to come to respect all who have the courage to don a uniform and serve the red white and blue without reservation. I have seen plenty of Marines that shoe lack the lack pride that you say you see but I felt it was my duty to take those Marines and mentor them regardless if they wanted it or not. While each branch has its challenges understand the ones that dont appear to be proud of their particular service they probably would have the same attitude even if they served in another branch. So continue to serve proudly and if need be weed out those bad apples or continue to mentor them to change their mindset and/or attitude.

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