Posted on Sep 6, 2015
CSM Carl Cunningham
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I have worked with all the services frequently during my career. I see the ups and downs in each service. The Army seems to have the biggest attitude towards itself though. I would like to hear thoughts as to why Soldiers seems to talk bad or dislike the service that I love. Some may disagree this is true, but I do not think I am off base by stating this.

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Do you think it is possible for the Army to ever show the universal pride in service that the USMC does?
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1SG Leon Espe
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The US Army I was in had pride in service, a quiet pride, not boastful but reliable even though about half were draftees. MY only experience with Marines was fighting along side of them at the Chosin Reservoir in Korea during late November and up to 10 December 1950 when ALL the Marines were evacuated and we Army Troops were sent back to our assigned units to continue on with the Evacuation of the area. The Marines I met were able fighters but we all were dedicated combat troops when fighting for our own life. The US Army troops were formed into Task Force Units to fight our way up to the Marines surrounded at the Chosin then fight our way back out along with the Marines. I met no Marine or Army Supermen during that battle. Those of us who survived it all gave that extra 10 per cent or we would not be alive today. One thing I do NOT understand. Some authors mention "retreat" at the Chosin. How in hell can you retreat when you are surrounded?
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GySgt Mike Grow
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How each branch views their intangible benefits of service are directly linked to one's pride and service identity. What we see are differences rather than similarities that limit our objectivity.
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SSgt Mose Carter
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Marines are the literal "tip of the spear" of our fighting ground forces and need to exude ultimate pride and confidence needed to be effective. It's a mental state of mind. However, let's not forget all branches of the military exude confidence. I have served in the Air Force, naval Reserve and US Army National Guard. Pride is exhibited in all the units I have been in. Let's face it, it takes all of us working collectively to win a war.
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LTC Lewis Cox
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I, Infantry-Lew, say the Infantry has just as much esprit de corps as the Marine Corps!!!
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SGM Bill Frazer
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The few, the proud- Uncle Sam's Misguided Children!
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PFC Kristine Snyder
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I loved my time in the WAC from 1968-1970, and cried when handed my discharge.
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MSG Dan Castaneda
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I personally think they have too much. All the MARSOC guys I've met are cool keep their mouths shut. "Quite Proffessionals." Then there's the ones that think they are tougher than woodpecker lips just because they are Marines knowing damn well they are just cooks. Nothing against soft skill MOSs, but know your roll and act accordingly.
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PO2 Skip Kirkwood
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That may be part of the difference. "Soft skill" Marines are still combat trained riflemen, regardless of MOS - and they think of themselves as Marines first and cooks or supply after that.
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Capt Michael Brown
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"Know your role and act accordingly", is the difference. Every Marine is trained to is trained to be a rifleman and every Marine Officer a rifle platoon commander. I personally never met a Marine who signed up to be a cook. Most people I think who enlisted in either the Army or the Marine wanted to serve their country and an MOS was assigned to them. It seems like motivation in any MOS should be considered a good thing.
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
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Seems to me that's what we need. If I had a cook next to me who was also a badass Marine Rifleman, that translates to problems for the enemy, not to us. There are no "just cooks" in the Marines because each are trained as riflemen FIRST. You're not much of a leader if you can't recognize that. The title of this thread is "Why does the Army not have as much pride as the Marines?". If the differences were not evident, the question would never even come up.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED -
LOVE IT ~Very Well Stated.!
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1SG Patrick Sims
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I did a stretch in the Marines as a tanker and retired from the Army as a 1st Sergeant in an armor company. When I switched to the Army the first thing I noticed was many needed a haircut, their uniforms weren't as snappy looking as the Corps, and they couldn't march with a shit-----But they had their MOS down cold. They were infinitely better in their field skills than most Marines I knew. So, don't sell the Army short. There may be a lot less ou--rah, but their pretty good at kicking ass.
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LCpl Cody Collins
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I served in the Marine Corps from 79 to 88 and every single day , That I served in a Marine Corps the Marines constantly promoted the Marine Corps history, Esprit de Corps, Pride in the Marine Corpse in your uniform and in yourself as a Marine . Marine Corps history is constantly talked about and promoted within the rank and file. Motivational signs about the Marines are everywhere on a Marine Corps base in the barracks in the head every office everywhere you go. Also the Marines do not lay Hollywood just make any type of movie or TV show the picketing the Marine Corps a bunch of goof balls with the exception of Gomer pyle USMC. The Marine Corps protects its Image To the Ninth degree. And when a Marine Corps does allow Hollywood to make A TV show such as (jag). Whatever Actor or actress is playing a Marine Corps officer or enlisted personnel . believe me that uniform and Marine Corps attitude is reflected perfectly.
There's this constant training of Marine Corps pride in Marine Corps history and Marine Corps warfare that goes on consciously and sub consciously throughout your tour of duty as a United States marine.
Maybe the army needs to emphasize is history and drill into their soldier the future soldiers and officers so they can have more pride and what though that came before them did for their country. Hollywood make movies at the picket the army as a bunch of buffoons or Undisciplin'd P.O.S. I think people that enlist in the army and the Air Force going with the mentality that the work is not near as hard or doesn't take as much dedication to succeed then it does in the Marine Corps in the navy, Some instances the navy has it over the Marine Corps. Maybe the army needs to rethink its training syllabus and instill more pride in their soldiers and not look to cut back on discipline just to get numbers.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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We do, we just don't take it to the "Heaven's Gate" cult like level the Marines do ;o)

Real talk though, I served in the Marines long enough to know the dirty secret... While Marines are amongst the other services, or after they get out, yeah, they're all about espirit de corps, "we love the Marines, Rah, Rah"...
But while they are still in, and only Marines are around? They do nothing but HATE the Marines and shit talk it at every opportunity. I believe the colloquial phrase was "eat the apple, fuck the corps" if I recall correctly? No one hates the Marine Corps more than young Marines ;o)
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
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Name a branch where that doesn't happen, so I call out the lie. Those same complaining kids would die for each other, and for this country. So, what's your point?
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