Posted on Aug 16, 2023
Why doesn't the Army want USAR officers to serve on AD?
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It is my understanding that USMC, for example, has USMCR LTs on active duty. They seem to do okie dokie and can do a couple of years and REFRAD. USAR Os are not bad just because they have no ring to bang.
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Hell I had USAR Maj's working in my XVIII Corps G3 shop, for about a year at a time, retired 95
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USAR Officers can serve AD time on ADOS orders. Depending on mission, could be 30-365 days.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams - Back in the day, at least as a guadsman, when on AD orders anything over 180 days would continue your tricare benefits for an additional six months but that has since gone away.... If my old man memory serves me correctly, I've been around 28 years including my E and WO time. Maybe I'm off.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
COL Randall C. - Yes sir, after 20 years you would retire. Could not go longer in peace time.
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COL Randall C.
LTC (Join to see) MAJ Ronnie Reams - Likely the "179 days at a time" was because prior to when '1,095' was put in place in 2004, a reservist couldn't be on active duty orders more than 179 days without approval from the military Department (if exceeded, the reservist would count against the end strength of the active component force). So many reservists would do 179 days + 1 day break + 179 days + 1 day break + etc.
In 2004, the NDAA changed that calculation to 1,095 days within 1,460 days (i.e., 3 years within a 4 year timeframe) before an exception from the military department was needed. That was recently upped again in the FY22 NDAA to 1,825 days in the previous 2,190 days (5 years in a 6 year period).
In 2004, the NDAA changed that calculation to 1,095 days within 1,460 days (i.e., 3 years within a 4 year timeframe) before an exception from the military department was needed. That was recently upped again in the FY22 NDAA to 1,825 days in the previous 2,190 days (5 years in a 6 year period).
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COL Randall C.
MAJ Ronnie Reams - Ah, yes. I DO remember that now. My father (retired in '72) was a reserve component commission and was in that exact situation - 20 years and had to retire.
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Well, since 1981, there are no 'USAR' officers in the active component that go to 20 years.
Since 1981, if you were in the active component and had a Reserve commission, you were offered a Regular Army appointment when promoted to Major. If you didn't accept it, you were separated from the active component.
If you're asking "Why don't they generally allow all officers instead of only those listed in the Call to Active Duty program*", it's because there is a specific number of individuals needed at each rank. There is no reason the Army (or really any service) to bring on an O-4 (or O-3, O-5, etc) when they don't have an authorized position for them.
The CAD program changes each year depending on the needs of the Army active component requirements. For example, you could apply to transfer to the active component as a reserve component O-5 right now if you are one of the needed specialties.
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* CAD - https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Call%20to%20Active%20Duty%20Program
Since 1981, if you were in the active component and had a Reserve commission, you were offered a Regular Army appointment when promoted to Major. If you didn't accept it, you were separated from the active component.
If you're asking "Why don't they generally allow all officers instead of only those listed in the Call to Active Duty program*", it's because there is a specific number of individuals needed at each rank. There is no reason the Army (or really any service) to bring on an O-4 (or O-3, O-5, etc) when they don't have an authorized position for them.
The CAD program changes each year depending on the needs of the Army active component requirements. For example, you could apply to transfer to the active component as a reserve component O-5 right now if you are one of the needed specialties.
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* CAD - https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Call%20to%20Active%20Duty%20Program
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Oh, thank-you. I knew MC Os cold come on up to O-6, I think. I not know if they become USA Os.
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COL Randall C.
MAJ Ronnie Reams - Army O6s CAN be transferred from the reserve component to the active component, but there isn't a standing program that allows it. They would each need approval on a case-by-case basis (i.e., THAT O-6 there has something we really need in the active component, so he gets approved. Those other ones - "dime a dozen O6s" so they don't get approved).
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
COL Randall C. - Cannot remember a time when Army had enough surgeons, even during draft days. LOL, A friend of mine who was a COL MC told me he pretty well did as he wanted, as no one wanted to be known as the one that ran a surgeon out of the Army. He started life as a Jarhead arty O. He wore his 1st MAR DIV patch on his right shoulder from his time when Ike sent them to Lebanon in the mid 1950s.
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All my USMC LT Battery Commanders were reservists while I was on active duty. They rotated out every one or two years. I believe it was part of their contract. They served active for two years and then transferred to their respective reserve unit. Of course this was back in the late seventies early eighties.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
I recently read that USMC Commandant allowed some WAMs, that were USMCR officers on AD, to take some courses that WAMs usually could not take that would make their transition to USMC Os easier.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams - I have also seen something about that. And I did find this.
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/3489917/announcement-of-the-return-to-active-duty-program-for-marine-corps-officers/
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/3489917/announcement-of-the-return-to-active-duty-program-for-marine-corps-officers/
ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE RETURN TO ACTIVE DUTY PROGRAM FOR MARINE CORPS OFFICERS
R 101330Z AUG 23MARADMIN 396/23MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC MRA MM//SUBJ/ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE RETURN TO ACTIVE DUTY PROGRAM FOR MARINE CORPS OFFICERS//REF/A/MSGID: MCO/CMC/YMD: 20210203//NARR/ REF
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MAJ Ronnie Reams - I know the Corps hasn’t really had a hard time with recruiting but I suppose times have changed quite a bit for all branches.
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I am in the ARNG and I have completed 2 Tours of Duty in the last few years. It's a great way to get AD time towards retirement. TODs can be a couple months to 3 years in length. Though it's a tricky slope. Don't get caught in sanctuary without a plan to get the remaining years. It's possible to work for large organizations that need full time AD support. Some will keep you on ADOS indefinitely or help you transition to AD.
You need to be on a military domain computer and go to MOBCOP: https://mobcop.aoc.army.pentagon.mil/. Then click on TOD. Filter jobs by MOS and rank.
You should be able to do similar on a civilian computer with this new service, but I haven't tried it yet: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/02/16/guard-reserve-soldiers-can-now-browse-active-duty-jobs-on-their-phones/
Lastly, I think your main question is how to get back in AD proper. You can check out the Call to Active Duty Program. They update the list of Officer MOS and requirements annually in April: https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Call%20to%20Active%20Duty%20Program you will need to log in with CAC.
The 75th Ranger Regiment is now accepting Call to Active Duty (CAD) Applications for many Warrant and Officer MOS positions.
You need to be on a military domain computer and go to MOBCOP: https://mobcop.aoc.army.pentagon.mil/. Then click on TOD. Filter jobs by MOS and rank.
You should be able to do similar on a civilian computer with this new service, but I haven't tried it yet: https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2022/02/16/guard-reserve-soldiers-can-now-browse-active-duty-jobs-on-their-phones/
Lastly, I think your main question is how to get back in AD proper. You can check out the Call to Active Duty Program. They update the list of Officer MOS and requirements annually in April: https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Call%20to%20Active%20Duty%20Program you will need to log in with CAC.
The 75th Ranger Regiment is now accepting Call to Active Duty (CAD) Applications for many Warrant and Officer MOS positions.
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They serve AD quite often. The bigger question is why don't more USAR officers apply for permanent active duty positions.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Because, as I understand it, they cannot any longer. The Army only wants USA Os on AD. The AUS is defunct, except for us retired Os that have a commission as a Reserve Officer in the Army of the United States and LTGs and GENs who have AUS rank in Nomative positions and revert to MG USA when no longer in that position.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
Back in the day, a USAR O could integrate into the RA by getting AB wings or a Ranger tab. Your SN was prefixed OF, so it was known you were integrated. All others were O prefixed USA or USAR.
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