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In another thread, where the question was whether the USCG should be folded into the Navy, my response was if you do that, why not fold all the ground troops into Army, all the aircraft into USAF, all the watercraft into USN and all specops troops into USMC....

The answer is that these services all have different missions. Even though the Navy has more planes than the Air Force, and the Army more watercraft than the Navy, the missions are different.
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LCDR / Rabbi Matlow,
I love when you post, you boil it all down in 2 brief paragraphs. You proffered solution scenarios but then went on to explain why those scenarios aren't being considered and what some of the difficulties would be.

To me, it's a question of coverage. When you paint a wall, whether you use a brush or a roller you have to OVERLAP or there would be blank spots on that wall.

The same truism holds for the Branches of the Military Services. As they overlap they present 100% COVERAGE. (And Yes, the Coast Guard may be a spike off the curve and there's a reason for that.) While patrolling our Coast and having excellent offensive & defensive options their strongest suit is SAR (Search & Rescue).

I am however intrigued by the thought introduced by CPT Justin Kimmel. Having one Unified Medical Command "could" work.
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There are certainly a lot of support services that could be unified. Jointness was supposed to make things more streamlined, and get the services working together better. Instead we still have parochialism, and a sad note to history.

CINCPACFLT existed in Pearl Harbor long before there were joint commanders. Yet, the joint commanders complained that it's not fair that a Navy commander is a CINC, so now it's COMPACFLT... This kind of undoing of history is just wrong...
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CPT(P) (Join to see), there are 5 branches of the armed services. You forgot the Coast Guard!
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The Coast Guard, while a military organization is technically under the Department of Transportation. They would be unable to perform their mission, of drug and crime interdiction in international waters if they were a military organization. Posse Comitatus precludes the military from arresting civilians or enforcing civilian law. That's why Coasties ship out on Navy destroyers for counterdrug ops.
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CPO David Welsh that is true but the fact remains that the Coast Guard is still a branch of the military.
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The Coast Guard is a military service that has a substantially separate role in peacetime. They are often overlooked since they are outside DoD. I often have to correct folks.
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Lt Col (Join to see), I've talked to Coast Guardsmen who didn't know the Coast Guard was a branch of the military when they first sought out a recruiter!
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One day we will have 5. The United States Star Force will separate from the USAF.
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I think we all know what it's gonna look like.
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I think it's also going to lead to a fight between the Air Force & the Navy as all the prognosticators indicated that Space forces will be fleets (Star Wars, Star Trek, Starship Troopers, etc...)
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The USAF has pilots. The USN has crews that run ships. Space will be navigated and dominated by vessels in fleets. The USN command structure and training will most easily convert.
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If we get ships like the Enterprise, Naval vessels will be obsolete and our Navy would be space oriented and earth capable, and only Space Marines and no Space Air Force. Land units would continue as Army, but there would be no space Army. Point of fact the original Marines were never intended to be a separate complete Army.
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Haven't we kicked this horse to death? Perhaps a better question would be, "Why do Army folks keep re-asking this question?"
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The Army used to have its own Air Corps. Allowing the Army Air Corps to split off from the Army is more or less a self-inflicted wound and issue that the Army should ponder for itself.
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I will say this. The Army is tops at its use of helicopters as a maneuver element under the control of the Ground Commander (Air Cavalry). The Marine Ground Commander has to request Air Support from the Wing Commander and the Wing Commander can tell him "No."

It's said that the Army has about as many aircraft as the Air Force, and more boats than the Navy. Is that true?
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Capt Lance Gallardo - There is an inherent problem in how we appropriate money for the different service branches in that there is no incentive given to the different service branches to save money. If you don't spend what you are allocated, you lose it. So each branch does its best to spend all the money it has and ask for more. I really don't see how combining the services is going to achieve efficiency, because the larger an organization, the more layers of bureaucracy you add, the slower it moves and adapts to change.

If we go to one purple service, we also lose because there will be no more competition and competition breeds innovation. We need each service to do its utmost to provide taxpayers the best bang for the buck. A little competition between branches for missions is good; it keeps each service working hard to not maintain, but improve their capabilities.
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I am sure there are many possible reforms on how we procure weapons systems. Unfortunately the lobbyist from all of the states where systems are spread out as much as possible for a system to have maximum "job" leverage with the local congressmen, as well as the wealthy defense corporations' lobbyists (which are legion and powerful on the Hill) combine to make any kind of meaningful reform politically impossible.
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NO one branch does what any other branch does. I think we could make it work but the pain involved is unimaginable. Imagine try convincing a bunch of Air Force weenies they now have to leave behind their hotel (BEQ) and live on a ship. Try convincing the pilots they have to land on a limited length, pitching, rolling runway! They have to clean their own rooms and make their own beds? Water hours? Right. We'd have flooding in multiple compartments due to the crying. LOL!!!
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Uh, there's actually five. Coast Guard too. As to the others; Air Force was part of the Army until after WWII. Why they separated the two is not a one answer question. Marine Corps was first, even before we had the first actual naval vessel or armed merchantman, because boarding parties in those days tended to expend necessary Sailors. They had to be trained as snipers and in hand-to-hand boarding techniques before we got the ball rolling. The Continental Army was volunteer and serving for agreed terms, and disbanded after the Revolutionary War. Our founders didn't want a standing army during peacetime, but the Marines were necessary because of British aggression and pirate activity. By the time of the War of 1812, we had a small standing army of theoretical professionals backed by state/county militias and a very small Navy.

So all this Cliff's Notes history is just to show why Army/Marines were originally (and continue) to be separate. Marines have traditionally had personal initiative and made command decisions at a much lower level than the Army feels comfortable with for a very specific reason; before the 1950's, intercontinental communications were notoriously slow and decisions had to be made on the spot. As typically tiny units, Marines had to learn how to improvise or die; in a bureaucratic monolith like the Army, the unusual is not welcome.

So, the question you seem to be asking is "why can't we consolidate and achieve economies of scale?" The answer is easy; the Army would never agree to replacement by a larger Marine Corps and is unsuitable to carry out typical Marine missions. The Air Force would never allow itself to be replaced by Naval/Marine aviation, yet is not as effective in direct ground support roles (or the Army would never have needed Apaches etc). The Marines shouldn't have to settle for second best in combat air/ground coordination; we all suffer in that case, when our nation loses military credibility.
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I actually wrote a research paper on this exact topic in 1995 as my graduation project while getting my undergrad degree. I loved being a Marine and am very proud of my service, but while researching this paper it is hard from a financial and logistical standpoint to justify the redundant duties and services that are perdormed by all. My answer, one military, but with different arms performing the same role that are performed today, very feasible, but more cost effective. It will happen this century.
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There are five branches of the armed forces. Each specializes in a specific set of missions that have some overlap with the others. You can argue redundancy, but when we lose capability and then look for that capability 3 years later, you'll see the wisdom of having these specialists. With the scope of missions the USA is involved in, we do need all five. Tweeking force levels and equipment/basing options yes, but we still need the range of capabilities and focus provided by the five armed (seven uniformed) services.
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SSG Edward Rhyan
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I thought it should be a marginally expanded Marine force, Air Force and Navy. There should be no ground war, just a ground stomping and no Army personnel are needed for that. Those 3 groups are really the Trident of power that the US holds. The 4th being the army is just too redundant. Occupy should be taken out of our mission. Break it and come home. So many opinions this post will break the bank in sentences wrote lol.
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The Gordian knot . . . of service unification . . . there's a whole subset of problems this would solve were it to occur. Imagine a unified supply, medical, data network and pay system, etc. etc. etc. . . . . . . .
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I believe the support functions could be combined. Financial, information services, supply, commissary, etc are areas where then is/could be commonality. It is when you consider the operational specialties each of the 5 branches focuses on that they begin to have unique roles.
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