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Two recent, interesting articles. One from The Atlantic, one from Salon (and I'll acknowledge the bias of Salon from the get go, so no one needs to spend time attacking the source; The Atlantic, though, is, as they say, "of no party or clique."
Do you agree the US win-lose record since 1945 is 1-4? Do you agree that the US loses wars precisely because it is so powerful? Why haven't Eisenhower's warnings about the military-industrial complex led to any sort of meaningful controls on the DoD budget?
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/america-win-loss-iraq-afghanistan/394559/
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/the_dwight_eisenhower_lesson_america_forgot_partner/
Do you agree the US win-lose record since 1945 is 1-4? Do you agree that the US loses wars precisely because it is so powerful? Why haven't Eisenhower's warnings about the military-industrial complex led to any sort of meaningful controls on the DoD budget?
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/06/america-win-loss-iraq-afghanistan/394559/
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/16/the_dwight_eisenhower_lesson_america_forgot_partner/
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Get the media out and don't set a timeline. Just say we leave as soon as we are done.
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Simple. Nobody wants to go balls to the walls anymore with combat. We should either conquer and rule or not get involved.
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No I do not agree that the looses wars because it is too powerful. We "lose" wars because of poor leadership and the inability to maintain popular support. Pres GW Bush is the only president since WWII who has gotten it right.
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MAJ (Join to see)
If you meant GHW Bush, I might agree with you! If you mean Bush 43, though, I don't think you'll find many who hunk he got much of anything right, much less going to war. Heck, even Rummy says Iraq was a mistake!
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It's because we don't fight to win like we did in WWII. Washington D.C. are too caught up in how the average American civilian and the press feels about how we go about conducting our business. If we didn't let them dictate the ROE then we would have a higher rate of success. Also, look at what we did following WWII and Korea. We left a residual force and established bases all over Europe and the Pacific, where Obama's strategy was to bring everyone home no matter the cost which led to ISIS. BTW, I disagree with the 1-4 record. Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm, and pre-Obama GWOT were winners.
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Always comes down to politics and if we as a society are willing to fight until total victory (like WWII) or if we cave to pressure and depart earlier than required.
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The reason is simple. During WW2 the people who came up the Doolittle Raid wore the uniform. The man with the GO-NoGO authority for D-Day wore Stars on his shoulders not a pin stripe suit. Since the end of WW2 politicians have gotten it into their heads they know better than the military how to wage war. Their record proves them wrong, but they are in office and don't know how to learn.
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The reason we continue perceive we are losing these wars, is lack of leadership from the Commander-in-Chief on down. It doesn't matter if the O-1, O-2, O-3, O-4, O-5, and O-6's in the field downrange have their shit together and try to protect their personnel in their command as best they can. If they those who are issuing the orders above, are limiting what they can they do, and giving them ROE that put them behind the eight ball to begin with. Or make complicated chain of commands, to the point where you proof CIA had authorized certain extra unauthorized means of tortures with pictures. Yet, only handful of enlisted personnel and the Base commander ever got punished for it. Everyone else in between walked, smells of cover-up all over it, for those in the middle and you can see plainly that other knew, because they were others captured in some of the photos they had shown on TV. Oh well, it is perception that media has spun to the general public. I would say we 5-0 militarily speaking. Did we achieve all the military goals that set forth, yes. Did we set the political goals set forth, well we aren't politicians, that is what the freaking State Department is for, and if they can't accomplish their mission it on them, not us. We can only do so much when they limit what we can do to protect their asses.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
The class war is separate war, and always will be. The main reason why Walmart will pull out of Store if they get hint if union is trying to organize it. Workers making an average of $10.00 an hour, and having new dress code that takes more money out of their pocket and other silly stuff they like to pull on their employees place by their Board. There were reasons why in the 1920s and 1930s the Auto Industry in the U.S. was largely Unionized.
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Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay
I disagree, they are all connected. My brother joined the Navy Reserve because he could not find a good teaching job to raise a family. Someone said, "War is the Poor and Uneducated of one country killing-off the Poor and Uneducated of another for the profit of the Rich and Powerful. Nationalism has been used to demonize the foreign and immigrants. Our soldiers should be used to defend the country as a last resort.
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