Posted on May 28, 2015
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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MSgt Michael Lane
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I am a believer in you either do sometime or you don’t not maybe something. As a jet engine mechanic, we were never trained in combat arms properly and we would be the last people you need to hand a weapon to.
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Capt Al Parker
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Having spent my Air Force years other than basic training and OTS I wasn’t given rifle training as a radar tech, civil engineering officer (5525) and a Communication Electronics Enginer (3055).. Except when I worked in a Mobil Radar outfit (729 TCS). I even remember being assigned to a radar outfit in Alaska (710 ACWS) we had a fife rack with 4 M16s, which were removed because they were needed in Vietnam. We got no replacements, except the bow and arrow I stuck in the rack as a joke.
I didn’t join the Air Force to fight I joined to learn electronics.
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Capt Al Parker
Capt Al Parker
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Please excuse the spelling errors.
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Cpl Andrew Kotcher
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i find it funny that a recent Air Force recruitment commercial showed Air force "infantry" out doing some patrol or raid. yet according to you and a few others moct airmen are clueless with basic marksmenship.
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1st Lt Royal Barnard
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Why don't all ground forces know how to fly airplanes and launch missiles and man ships? We all specialize and get along doing it. And yes..... we all got firearms training, but not to be sharpshooters.
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Cpl Andrew Kotcher
Cpl Andrew Kotcher
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but basic marksmenship should be included, according to the original poster most airmen are clueless which end is up on a m4...
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1st Lt Royal Barnard
1st Lt Royal Barnard
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I had marksmanship training. The weapon was a handgun not a rifle. I also learned the procedure and participated in the successful launch of a MMII ICBM from Vandenberg AFB to the the South Pacific. In the military and in life we all have specialties, and we must do them properly. That implies the we have to work together as a team to protect each other.
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SFC Rollie Hubbard
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It was my understanding that you received weapons training in basic training now it seems that the air force is different that they receive NO TRAING in basic weapons use don't they have to qualify with any weapons or do they rely on the army/marines to bail them out?
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Lt Col John Culley
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Why are so many members of the Army clueless when it comes to the proper use of air and space power? This was the reason the Air Force was established as a separate service in 1947 and the Space Force was established as a separate force in 2019 The army's fantasies about the infantryman and his rifle have caused American to lose counterinsurgency wars in Vietnam as well as Afghanistan and Iraq according to Army Lt. General Daniel P. Bolger's 2014 book entitled Why We Lost: A General's inside account of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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I don’t remember the amount of time they spent training me but I see fire expert on the 38 caliber pistol 45 caliber pistol in the A.R. 15 rifle. Years later it occurred to me than all the times that I had fired those guns I’ve never boys been shown how to assemble disassemble or clean any of them. As an air crewmember I took them into combat and when I return to the ground I turned them back in and somebody else did all the maintenance. When I was On a special assignment attached to the Marines it never occurred to me that I wasn’t skilled in maintaining the gun like they all were. I knew at least felt they had their doubts about my ability if we were we got into trouble but no one ever said anything to me. On the other hand I spent more than a year in training as an aircraft mechanic before I ever reached my first airbase and my first real airplane. I think each service takes a careful look at the probability of the skills each person will need in their career and choose carefully how much time to train them on each part of those skills. Navy submariner is very unlikely define himself in a firefight an Air Force aircraft mechanic might find himself in such a situation but it’s not too likely a marine truck driver is very likely in the Amount of time training those three people for that situation in my opinion should be significantly different.
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SMSgt Kent Brown
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Sgt Christ, thank you for your service and dedication.
So you already know that not all members have to be qualified that's because not all AF members are in combat ready units. Some units are deployable and some are not.
If you think that the AF needs to change something why don't you contact your Command Chief and pass the suggestion on up the ladder.
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SMSgt Ed Turney
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Granted the USAF was never intended to be a ground fighting unit, but as everyone knows, stuff happens. For the same reason I carry a weapon concelled in civilian life, it is prudent to be prepared in the military also. As far as the enemy is concerned you are a "solider" even though your country does not classify you as such. A phone call away is too far, too late.
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CPO David Sullivan
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How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!

How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!

If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do:

The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.

The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks, and concertina wire.

The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter.

The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.
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