Posted on May 28, 2015
Why don't all members of the Air Force have to be fully qualified to be a rifleman in case of hostile events?
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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I went through basic training in 1961, and we spent a full week getting familiar with and firing the
M-1 Carbine. Many of us fired expert and also a lot of sharpshooters. Everyone had to qualify or you were set back in training. At my permanent base, all permanent party , except for Medics, had to qualify at the range every year.
M-1 Carbine. Many of us fired expert and also a lot of sharpshooters. Everyone had to qualify or you were set back in training. At my permanent base, all permanent party , except for Medics, had to qualify at the range every year.
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Basics in '70...on our live fire day..."gentlemen, the AF is almost out of money...so your practice rounds will be your qualifying rounds..."
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Remember, the Air Force is the only branch that sends its officers out to battle while the enlisted are more prone to staying back. There are of course exceptions, like load masters, and certain gunners, and those gunners are more of pray and spray, or so it used to be. The Air Force is also much wiser with how they spend money. so they have little reason to spend that much money to train marksmanship. Like the Navy, there's little point to teaching them small arms, and they have Shore Patrol and many times there are Marines on board. I believe watching a Sailor with some of the small arms would be even funnier than some of the Airmen. In Illinois, for Carry Conceal, if you were in the military they don't require you to take the first half of the course, it truly ought to be, if you were in the Marines, Army, Coast Guard, or certain MOSes in the AF, or a Navy Seal, you're exempt, but the rest need to take the full course.
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If anyone wishes to be in our US Armed Forces can't work with firearms they should be deported to some other country! I'm an Enlisted Army Infantryman 1969 in Vietnam, Disabled, but still willing to fight all DOMESTIC & FOREIGN ENEMY! That would be MSM, Deep State, Democrat, Republican, Commie, Islamic, Anti-American SOB in my Nation!
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I was 42153 (AGE) back in the 60's. I qualified annually, M-16 and/or M-1 Garrand. In 'Nam, at Bien Hoa, our 1st CO,would allow us to sign out a M-16 & 10 rounds, to preform our NF-2 Lite-all maint. on the base perimeter, during 18:00-06:00 hrs. We had to turn the weapon & 10 rounds in every AM. After the 1st. CO left, our new CO stopped the practice. Then we went on the perimeter with a hammer and a flash light.
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Back in the 1990s the US AIR FORCE “Recruiting Slogan” was “AIR FORCE: A GREAT WAY OF LIFE”...and THEY MEANT IT!
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That's not how or why the Air Force started out or is in their culture. When was the last time an Airbase actually got overran? Not saying it cant happen. Look at Afghanistan, where some of our soldiers were killed in office buildings by Afghan security forces. You the Air Force train more? Possibly never can go wrong. However, ive served in the Air Force and now im in the Navy. Neither one were ever meant to be frontline rifle or what not. If that is the case that why we an Army and Marines.
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What? And get my nails dirty?
That was in jest!
For the record, I was in the army infantry for 6 years before going over to the Air Force. When I was in Iraq we needed to use our weapons and I was dismayed to see the lack of weapon discipline. With the current wars there really are no rear echelon areas any more, and I do think the air force should training ALL Airmen to handle weapons comfortably.
That was in jest!
For the record, I was in the army infantry for 6 years before going over to the Air Force. When I was in Iraq we needed to use our weapons and I was dismayed to see the lack of weapon discipline. With the current wars there really are no rear echelon areas any more, and I do think the air force should training ALL Airmen to handle weapons comfortably.
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