Posted on May 28, 2015
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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Capt Rob Carty
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As an Air Force JAG in the 90s (a lawyer, for crying out loud), I had to qualify on the M-9 to be eligible for mobility status. Have things changed??

(Also, good job, RallyPoint, with suggesting this post to me six years later.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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You are trying to teach and that is laudable. When I want toboot camp I didn't know much about tge M16 but my instructors had to teach me. Don't give up or get angry. Just keep swinging away.
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CWO3 Us Marine
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Not essential for all Airmen, based on their mission. Hotel Security has their back besides.
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LTC Kenneth Black
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I was a photo technician in Thailand in 1975 and was pulled to be a "security police augmentee" to help protect the base. They gave us about 2 weeks training in weapons, flares, crew served weapons, etc. It was woefully inadequate, but I had grown up with guns, so I was not uncomfortable performing that duty, even when we had the occasional probing of the perimeter by communist forces. At one point, we were surrounded by 5,000 Chinese Army forces for about a week. Had they actually attacked, with only around 300 security forces and about 250 Marines on the base, we were toast if it weren't for the close air support that kept them at bay. I totally agree with you, airmen should be riflemen too.
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MSgt Gary Hinkelman
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Garrett,
You have the right to your opinion, but if I was still on active duty, I'd take offense. I think most people do not realize that the USAF's mission is different than Army or Marines. We rely upon other branches and the USAF SF to protect us when needed. You need me crewing my fighter jet, more than carrying a gun. Again, it is your job to defend my multimillion-dollar fighter jet and my ass too. All along while I am preparing our pilots to drop bombs and blow stuff up with the aircraft.

Yes, when overseas I have carried a gun during my time crewing my jets. However, that is not a normal SOP for most USAF bases. If ever needed, I can promise you that most USAF members will take up a gun and defend.

I think you are expecting USAF members to be as skilled as you are and that is not fair to them. Also, the USAF does not normally allow members to practice using the M16 whenever they want. I know if I would have had that option, I would have done it (cause it's fun).

What can you do to give other members the chance to improve their skills?
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SSG George Duncan
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because/i think/that if the other get to where you'll are we have all ready lost so become VC
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PO2 Kenneth Barker
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I believe EVERYONE should have at least a basic gun knowledge. Who knows when he/she may need to defend ones self? Or family?
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Maj Martin Smith
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In August of '65 I had to qualify on the M-16 before going to Vietnam. Only other weapon I used in the AF before that was a S&W .38 revolver in OTS.
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Sgt John Leavor
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I don't know if things have changed, when I went through basic in 68, we had to qualify with the m16. When I went to Nam, we were given augmentee training on other weapons, 50 cal, 60 cal, grenade launchers, grenades, and 38s. If the base was attacked we were a back up to the Army and Marines.
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LtCol Field Artillery Officer
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Oh, but they can direct a A-10 Warthog on your @$$ better than you can shoot!
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