Posted on May 28, 2015
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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MSgt Brenda Policy
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I retired in 2012. Before that I was required to qualify once a year. When did that change? I was also part of a Red Horse squadron and was M-16 and 9 mil qualified.
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Sgt Cullen Smith
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I guess the Air Force has changed since I was in back in the 80's. Back then we were required to qualify with a .38 pistol and the M-16 rifle. We were also trained in Perimeter Defense. I was so proficient with the M-16 that I qualified as an expert, and while on duty in Turkey I had to re-qualify with the M-16 at a US Army shooting range and was awarded a Army Marksman Medal. Air Bases do come under attack from the ground and I feel all Air Force persons stationed overseas should be trained in defensive measures. Remember Da Nang!
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PO1 David Shepardson
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You point out a very great reason for civilian firearm ownership (2nd amendment) witch would to some degree provide familiarity to people entering any branch of the military, i was lucky that I learned firearm responsibility from an early age and when I went to basic training was surprised at so many who had no clue with firearms.... I have always wondered if the no clue members were the first to take one because they really never learned.
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SSgt Allan Stringer
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I was qualified with M - 16 in Basic. When I arrived in Vietnam, I was issued an M - 2, without any info/training - not even a booklet. Yet, I can account for (fifty years later) every round I expended in country, in action.
My prior firearm experience was with a bolt action Winchester .22, and a BB gun.
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CPT William Jones
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Generally they are in the rear with the gear. If pilots need rifles to defend their planes they are already in a world of hurt Also it would be about the same as training all army line units to fly jets in support of grunts engaged needing close air support
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Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
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USAF personnel were never expected to fight on the ground! We learn to march because it's an exercise in working as a team. Otherwise, it has no point. It's handy in getting people to buses or across base, but isn't used for much else. (Except drill teams, etc.)
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SSG Ron Bogard
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How does one defend one's self if they're not??
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SMSgt Robert Patterson
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Security Police, now Security Forces are the protectors of Air Bases and Aircraft on each base. In my time in Security Police (1968 - 1972) we had to qualify on the M16, M1, 38 caliber pistol and the M12 Riot gun. I was assigned Law Enforcement duties for the 4 years and only was ever assigned the .38 Combat Masterpiece pistol. I believe we only requalified on an annual basis. We did have augmentees that were pulled from other career fields and they would have to qualify with the M16 or pistol as well. I retrained into the Aircraft Loadmaster career field and was assigned to C-130 aircraft. I was required to carry a snubnose 38 caliber pistol in a shoulder holster under my flight suit. Carried 3 bean bag rounds and 3 hollowpoint rounds. Only had 40 foot long cargo deck to defend. After 5 years on flight status and was reassigned to Recruiter duty for the last 15 years of my career and we no longer were required to qualify on any weapons. I agree with some of the other comments I read on this link, not everyone in uniform is prepared or capable of handling a weapon never mind being able to use one to put down an adversary.
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MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow
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I agree that Airmen need to be proficient with the weapon that they could be issued in an emergency.
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Sgt Tina Maas
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When I was in basic training we had handgun and M16 training, but it wasn't comprehensive nor did we carry it further after basic. I'm proud to say I got my ribbon for accuracy, but I'd shot guns before. If a skirmish did break out you wouldn't really want to rely on AF personnel to take up arms. Many do know their way around guns though so if they had to they would.
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