Posted on Oct 31, 2014
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The day I turned my chevrons in for gold bars I noticed something. All the officers I've ever seen never wore marksmanship badges in dress uniforms. I just assumed they were unauthorized for officers and removed it voluntarily. I honestly never desired to wear the badge (probably because I was only ever a sharpshooter), but I haven't found any documentation specifically preventing officers from wearing them. Do you think officers should wear them?
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I submit that officers should wear them. With due respect to the officers who commented to the contrary, I believe their replies are bullshit and spoken by officers who have lost touch with those serving under them. You qualify on the weapons systems in your command, and should be expert. Period. Your men look to you for leadership. If you don't know a Mark-19 from an M-9, you have failed them. I have lost count of officers with this piss poor attitude. And unfortunately for most, the enlisted appointed under them have little or no respect for them. Officers should be experts, but should prove it every time the unit quals. PERIOD!
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Harsh words, Captain, but not unjustified nor without merit. I can certainly agree the situation is replete with bullshit. When someone tells me officers don't display their marksmanship qualification because they are all "assumed" to be experts, I wonder if he will then piss on my leg and tell me "It's raining out".
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CW3 Harvey K. - I don't believe that it is harsh; just a statement of fact. I believe that if you wear it as an officer you earn the respect from your troops - no guessing or assuming necessary your troops see it and know your not wearing just because you found it at a flea market. It speaks volumes without having to say a thing.
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SSG Miguel Sanchez
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Am I the only one wigging out that SSG Saunders in the picture doesn't have a campaign star on his ICM....
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CW3 Sac
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It's a fake uniform from an online costume store.
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SSG Miguel Sanchez
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CW3 (Join to see) - Hmm I could see that. Well in that case, why would whoever posted it use a picture of someone being ate up lol.
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CW3 Sac
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Possible they just did a quick search for an ASU and used the image with the most ribbons? Maybe they thought to add weight to the click bait silliness this has become.
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SSG Miguel Sanchez
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CW3 (Join to see) - and we have a winner lol, if I had to bet on anything, that wins. I'm just disappointed in the hundreds of NCOs that should've cracked that back over something simple. That's our job, keep simple shit simple, so the bars don't have to come in signing paperwork giving everyone a headache.
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MAJ Account Manager
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I'm seeing a lot of comments that range from "we're experts in everything" to "if we have to pick up a weapon, we're doing something wrong". Also, a lot of people have mentioned regulation vs. culture.

Yes, regulation states if you're awarded it you can wear it, there is no mention of rank. Yes, the culture is that no one wears it (including in DA Photos). You are in violation of no policy that I know of by wearing your marksmanship badges as an officer.

We are not experts in everything. It is my opinion that we are to be "jacks/jills of all trades." The only exceptions to that are the specialty branches (JAG, AV, Medical, etc.). It is true that we are leaders/managers, but if we weren't intended to fire anything short of a pistol, combat arms units wouldn't have a carbine for every officer in the battalion, including the battalion commander (except the field surgeon and physician's assistant). Now... if you're a Combat Service Support officer, I suppose something is wrong if you're picking up a weapon, but you never know.

There's also mention of wearing badges because of award in other services, and I would point those people to AR 670-1, 22-12c "...Marksmanship badges from other U.S. Services are not authorized for wear on the Army uniform."
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SFC Quinn Chastant
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MAJ (Join to see) when I went for my DA photo for promotion boards to E8 the direction was that all awards worn had to be reflected in the current 201 file of the individual soldier. While marksmanship badges are temporary, they are reflected in the 201.

The thinking then goes, if it is in the 201, and it is is worn on the class A uniform, not to wear it showed laziness on the part of the soldier, and the lack of attention to detail that is desired. Thus enlisted soldiers wear all awards and decorations reflected in the 201.
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SFC Quinn Chastant to be clear, in my opinion there is no reason why we (officers or enlisted) shouldn't wear them at all times. I simply look at it as I look at any number of items that we take off for a DA Photo based on the fact that it's supposed to reflect permanent DA awards only (blue cord, foreign awards, regimental branch insignia, etc. etc.). It's annoying enough to update your DA photo, now you have to get a new one because you shot sharpshooter instead of expert, or didn't qualify this year? Re: the permanence of the award, I'd point you to this thread: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/are-marksmanship-badges-just-like-diamonds-and-are-forever

Before you ask - they are not listed on the ERB, which is the document we now compare to the photo.
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LtCol Mac McCarty I am fairly certain the Army has a different view than the Marines. I don’t think anyone would call an Army JA a line officer, but they are definitely required to qualify, just like all officers (save chaplains). However, the frequency may be different. I know medical personnel are only required to qualify every three years, unless they are assigned or attached to a unit that requires an annual qualification.
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MAJ Fred Peterman
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The nurses in our National Guard MASH were assigned M16s. And they qualified if possible. Given "help " if having difficulty.
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MAJ Officer In Charge
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I thought of this discussion as I watched the most recent MoH award. Check out his Marksman badge!
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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CWO4 Jim Doran - That may be what is poking out from his left lapel.
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CWO4 Jim Doran
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You have much better eyes than I do. But, you're probably right.
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https://www.army.mil/medalofhonor/kettles/
He does have wings they are just not visible due to the camera angle...
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MAJ James Arnold
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I wore my Drivers Badge and Marksmanship Badge(s) with pride. Too many fellow officers could not hit the broad side of a barn from the inside. My enlisted career taught me how toe read AR 670-1 and comply with its guidance. I believe every Officer should show their soldiers they are competent in their basic soldier skills and wear the skill badge of their competence and not hide from their abilities, not wearing the badge.
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SFC Michael Smart
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Your my hero, can I have your autograph
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MAJ James Arnold
MAJ James Arnold
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If you ask nicely, yes
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MAJ James Arnold
MAJ James Arnold
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If you ask nicely,, yes.
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MAJ Richard Cheek
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Well I guess I am odd man out. I was a mustang officer direct commission from SFC to 1LT. Never went to knife a fork school. I wore my Pistol Qualification Badge and I wore my Drill Sergent ID Badge and never thought a thing about it. Never was told I should or shouldn't.
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Capt Lance Gallardo
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They do in the Marine Corps, both rifle and pistol. See photo of Commandant Neller, attached.
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Cpl Thomas Woods
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Af******men!
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Maj Ken Brown - And a Hallelujah too.
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Capt Lance Gallardo
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U-Rah and Hallelujah!
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CWO4 Jim Doran
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Navy does too.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
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Traditionally - In the 1920s:
1. It was a soldiers task, not one for an officer, since officer's had the pistol, the sword and horsemanship (except in the Cavalry).
2. Army leaders considered that soldiers needed something that was strictly 'their own'.
3. Officers were lousy shots :D just kidding.
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MAJ Ronald Burgy
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With all the above comments, it really boils down to the fact that the leadership of the US Army does not value small arms marksmanship and the Marines do............
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LTC Christopher Hills
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Perhaps that is the case in some (most?) units? But the 18th Airborne Corps and subordinate units as well as the special ops units i deployed with expected every man out the door to be able to shoot so they and i prioritized it and expected it from my troops. It is or at least was the culture and damn sure should be today.
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MAJ Ronald Burgy
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Time frame is 72-94. Glad to here shooters are more highly regarded LTC Christopher Hills
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Capt Steve Torrent
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I am a Marine Mustang and we wear both pistol and rifle marksmanship badges. Every Marine is a rifleman. It's not the smoke or noise we make, but the HITS that count!
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