Posted on Oct 31, 2014
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The day I turned my chevrons in for gold bars I noticed something. All the officers I've ever seen never wore marksmanship badges in dress uniforms. I just assumed they were unauthorized for officers and removed it voluntarily. I honestly never desired to wear the badge (probably because I was only ever a sharpshooter), but I haven't found any documentation specifically preventing officers from wearing them. Do you think officers should wear them?
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LTC Charles Bonnell
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Too much bull shit here. Rally Point, take this question down now. COL S, please keep your radio handy, you probably couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
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Cpl Brian Johnston
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As USMC MOS 8531 Marksmanship Instructor, all Marines officers up to maybe Colonel had to qualify every year, or risk not being promotable. All officers wore shooting badges!

I was rather good as an instructor and coach, and was once exclusively assigned to a Marine 1st Lt who had difficulty qualifying.
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MAJ David Vermillion
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I was both enlisted and officer and as an officer I never wore the badges either. I never wore it because everybody had this badge. I tried to wear those awards and badges most soldiers didn't wear. I was never told to wear it or not to wear it. That's my opinion.
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MAJ Keira Brennan
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I was award the Army EIC in Bronze (Pistol) for a sanctioned leg match in 2007. The 2-3x I wore my ASU before retiring / coming off AD in EUCOM I wore it. I was asked by several Army NCOs whether the badge was a National Guard award. LOL, Jeeze.

Ok, here's my take. I qualified for the German Bronze Schutzenschnur in Silver. The Bundeswehr awards it to be worn by Enlisted / NCO only award. Not for officers. I couldn't wear and I followed the Army tradition of officers not wearing BOLO badges. The EIC was my exception.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Maybe that's where we got the tradition of officers not wearing marksmanship badges.
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SSG John Jensen
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the real reason for officers to carry weapons was to shoot their own men in the back when they tried to run away
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LtCol J W
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Ssgt, you are full of shit!
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CPT Jim Schwebach
CPT Jim Schwebach
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Amen to that, LtCol G B.
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Capt Chief, Weapon Systems Management
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I earned my marksmanship ribbon for both long rifle and M9, and I'm authorized to wear the badge on my uniform, and I do. I don't agree with the whole "culture" aspect between Enlisted and Officers. Plus, I'd like my Airmen to know that they can count on me in a pinch :)
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Cpl Vic Eizenga
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they still do in the Marine Corps.
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CPT Air Defense Artillery Officer
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I'm not convinced by all the rhetoric of this being some conspiracy enacted by incompetents. So there's a group of non-achieving marksman officers out there creating an un-written rule to mask their own shame?

Compare the percentage of officers with a mustache and those wearing marksmanship badges, and contrast those actions in terms of exactly why officers generally don't do them. Are officers without mustaches hiding some deficiency? Not likely. So why do we assume that is the case with marksmanship badges? Sure it's an easy escape for those officers poor at qualifying, but that doesn't make it the reason that in general terms officers do not usually wear them.

Perhaps a better question is: should the Army require officers to wear marksmanship badges in order to place due emphasis on our most basic warrior task?

I usually qualify expert, but have no real interest in wearing the badge. For one thing, the uniform is already a pain to set up and to switch between DA Photo standards, unofficial functions standards (unit balls and the like), and payday activities standards.
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1LT Rich Voss
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CPT - Well said ! I've seen a whole host of guys from various branches and services quoting regs on here that evolved over time. I followed what the "uniform of the day" was and wore my badges accordingly. That was modified but what either my Company CO, Battalion CO, or Brigade CO wanted us to wear, and if there was a particular event we were to attend that day or evening. I admit, I like "shiny". I was an infantry draftee and qualified on a whole host of weapons before graduating from Armor OCS and getting an M1911A1 (and my own ancient 45 cal. "grease gun" in my tank). The 60s in Germany was a different time ! I have all 3 marksmanship badges (because as a grunt, in those days, that was "cool" ) and wore all 3 when in Officer dress greens. None of my commanders ever said: "What ? Are you kidding me ?" We learned the importance of where each and every badge and award went on our uniforms during OCS and were "gigged" for any minor errors, and I never forgot that. Today, like you, it probably doesn't matter. Then, as a nineteen year old Officer during the Cold War and Viet Nam, it mattered a LOT !
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CPT Physician Assistant
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So, basically you are lazy and not proud of wearing your uniform correctly. outstanding lack of leadership!
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CW4 Tim Claus
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For many years there was a lesser grade of Class As for enlisted that were not offered with officers stripes. For the most part, enlisted wore khakis and officers wore the permanent press TWs. Cav wears campaign hats, and until usurped by the rangers, independent armor and armored cav wore black berets. There have always been many uniform variations, with the combat arms guys always having more options for hanging merit badges on their uniforms, though I will submit in many ways, the many technical MOS' have requirements at a minimum, at least as tough anything combat arms does, and in some cases, very demanding. Those folks don't get to hang badges that are specific to their jobs on their uniforms, but will get judged whether they wear badges that are really quals for grunts and airborne/air assault. Very few ever qualified for the Army nuclear power plant operator badges, and it is much harder to qualify as an Army diver, much less a master diver, than any infantry badge.
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CPT Air Defense Artillery Officer
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CPT (Join to see) - Great contribution to the discussion. Tell me again how choosing not to wear an item that is not required makes me lazy or not proud. I was enlisted first and was very proud when I finally qualified expert on the M16, after a significant struggle to master the fundamentals. As a leader, I recognize what I do and do not bring to the table, in expertise and experience. My abilities as a marksman have had exactly zero impact on my effectiveness as an officer and a leader. There are many officers whose marksmanship has made a difference in combat, for better or worse, but it is certainly not the basis of a commission nor should it be.

I humbly await your personal anecdote that proves me wrong, that your commission was based in great part on your marksmanship, and how that has come to bear as a significant impact in your effectiveness as an officer.

If the Army sees fit to require officers to wear marksmanship badges, I will happily embrace it. But the Army has not, and I do not for a second believe that to be a deliberate or conspiratorial matter based on some desire for officers to hide in shame for lacking in ability.
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PO2 Hospital Corpsman (Hm)
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Because they can't shoot.
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1LT Rich Voss
1LT Rich Voss
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PO2 - b.s. ! I can shoot with either hand, any weapon you chose. I'm a natural "leftie" which makes it even harder for me as all of the Army's weapons are right-handed. Drove my D.I. in basic crazy, as I could switch hands and be just as accurate. Learned to shoot at nine on my Uncles farm. Stop spreading gossip !
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CW4 Tim Claus
CW4 Tim Claus
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Stopped wearing bolo badges when pinned a WO1, still wasn't wearing them when I retired as a CW4 24 years later. The day I retired, I could still shoot expert with an M9 with either hand, but had dropped of to sharpshooter with an M16 as the eyes got older and not as quick to identify dark green targets in the shadows on a pop up range at 300 meters in my late 50's. Don't get to use the leupold scope on an M16 to compensate for aging eyes. Not wearing a bolo badge on the very infrequent times I wore Class As, or Dress Blues had no bearing on whether I could shoot or not.
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SSgt William Callen
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To Col Jason Smallfield: Re your comment "Culture. Officer culture is not to wear markmanship badges" Tell it to the Marines!!!
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