Posted on Oct 31, 2014
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The day I turned my chevrons in for gold bars I noticed something. All the officers I've ever seen never wore marksmanship badges in dress uniforms. I just assumed they were unauthorized for officers and removed it voluntarily. I honestly never desired to wear the badge (probably because I was only ever a sharpshooter), but I haven't found any documentation specifically preventing officers from wearing them. Do you think officers should wear them?
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MAJ Robert Wilson
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I never wore my marksmanship badges once I became an officer. Tac Officers during OCS told us that it is improper to wear them. Most officers minus OCS officers are not taught marksmanship and if they have some weapons training, it's basic if any. Definitely not what is taught at basic training. All of my 27 years in the Army, I qualified expert and was assigned as a weapon instructor after attend weapons and sniper school. Enough about my qualifications.
Now to your question, Most officers that I taught, both in the classroom and right beside them on the range, taught me that is would be an embarrassment if they wore the badges. I have had them turn their heads away right before they pull the trigger to shacking so much they couldn't hit the target. I have also taught officers that are very good shots. I believe they were never trained properly in any school. I know from attending a combat arms Officer Basic Training, we never went to the range. It has been stated the officers only wear pistols and that is a bunch of BS! I had to become a commander before I was issued a pistol. During my deployments I saw the same results about officer's qualifications. I am glad they issued both a rifle and pistol on deployments and stayed away from those officers.
I always thought that marksmanship badges and ribbons/medals were individual awards and the person who was awarded them decide if they want to wear them or not.
It all goes back to officers DO NOT get enough marksmanship training. Most units do not get enough ammunition for everyone to qualify every 6 months and officers often say that their soldiers need to training. That's where 'Qualification by Pencil" came about. It is bullshit for anyone to think the officers that can shot quite well can't do their 'management' job!
From reading the remarks left, you can tell who was a REMF and never had to shoot their weapon in combat to others, combat arms personnel who has to rely on their weapon to keep them alive!
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MAJ Robert Wilson
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I never wore my marksmanship badges once I became an officer. Tac Officers during OCS told us that it is improper to wear them. Most officers minus OCS officers are not taught marksmanship and if they have some weapons training, it's basic if any. Definitely not what is taught at basic training. All of my 27 years in the Army, I qualified expert and was assigned as a weapon instructor after attend weapons and sniper school. Enough about my qualifications.
Now to your question, Most officers that I taught, both in the classroom and right beside them on the range, taught me that is would be an embarrassment if they wore the badges. I have had them turn their heads away right before they pull the trigger to shacking so much they couldn't hit the target. I have also taught officers that are very good shots. I believe they were never trained properly in any school. I know from attending a combat arms Officer Basic Training, we never went to the range. It has been stated the officers only wear pistols and that is a bunch of BS! I had to become a commander before I was issued a pistol. During my deployments I saw the same results about officer's qualifications. I am glad they issued both a rifle and pistol on deployments and stayed away from those officers.
It all goes back to officers DO NOT get enough marksmanship training. Most units do not get enough ammunition for everyone to qualify every 6 months and officers often say that their soldiers need to training. That's where 'Qualification by Pencil" came about. It is bullshit for anyone to think the officers that can shot quite well can't do their 'management' job!
From reading the remarks left, you can tell who was a REMF and never had to shoot their weapon in combat to others, combat arms personnel who has to rely on their weapon to keep them alive!
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CW3 James Ives
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I was an Officer, and I wore my marksmanship badges. I earned them and was proud of my "Expert Badge. Was also the Marksmanship range Officer.
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CW3 James Ives
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I should also explain the I was an enlisted Marine prior to serving in FLARNG. I was an E-6 when I was a Mustanger to WO1. Retired as CW3.
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Col Ronald E Gionta
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Air Force and Air Reserve Component Officers do wear the Marksmanship Award. It is a ribbon added to their rack.
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Col Ronald E Gionta
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In the Air Force, AFR and ANG, Officers do wear the Marksmanship award. It is a ribbon added to the rack.
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SPC Paul Gooch
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I started hunting and fishing when I was 10 years old. I cherished those years. That experience pretty much made me an expert outdoorsman and expert marksman.
Being the Commander's Driver and him understanding my test scores, background and experience, made him quite comfortable with me at his side during stressful times. He carried a 45, we never fired a bullet, never had to, but we still helped bring the Berlin Wall down.
Lots of hand to hand fighting, mind to mind stuff. We very rarely had to dress up and show off
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CPT Larry Hudson
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Officers are in general qualified in many areas where weapons are demanded. If we wore every qualification badge we would look like the Korean officers. Officers are to create morale and directions with emphasis on weapons within his specific areas of command and rely upon NCO's to coordiante a level of qualification in weapons used.
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CAPT Christopher Kule
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Because they don't want to embarrass their juniors.... who mainly never served.
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SPC Steven Cook
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My question is why a college graduate with a degree in studying rocks becomes an officer in a combat m. o.s.
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COL Carl Jensen
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LOL, I bolo'ed in Basic, so this covers me for not wearing it. It wasn't my fault, it was 5365601's. towards the end 5555333 saved the day. That was the fall of 63, it was either a great M-1 or Sgt Glass's pencil. Best advise from that Korea Vet; "Make yourself comfortable, rest the rifle on the sand bag for steady shots. When they come charging at you, you will resort to it anyway." When I left the service I volunteered to join the Guard and USAR, went to OCS and when I returned to my assigned unit I wore the expert badge. The other officers said they don't wear them because we were expected to be experts. LOL+, That leads to my GCM ribbon, during an inspection in the guard I was asked by a Major what is that medal for? (Along with the NDM one.) All the short tours and AFT's later I never wore Marksman medals. I qualified and familiarized with 4 weapons as part of training. They are only on paper. and yes I followed Sgt Glass's advice when on the rifle range.
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