Posted on Mar 25, 2016
SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds
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LTC Vice Commander
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Lots of very senior officers who is e served well over 30 years and planned we'll financially choose mundane and low stress jobs after retirement.
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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If the individual is a tech and required to wear a uniform while performing in the capacity of a tech then the individual must behave in accordance with their rank. That is precisely the reason the number of mil tech positions should be limited
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SFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Another reason: There are more or less directly relevant rank to GS equivalencies used as guidelines by GS hiring panels. As a SFC with 12 years of experience in the specific occupational field and 4 years of college I was deemed "qualified" enough to serve for a year in a GS-9 position rating 17 GS employees. A GS-9 is considered roughly equivalent to a 1LT. This was in addition to my regular NCOIC duties.
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MAJ Seth Goldstein
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Don’t get me started. I can’t even tell you how many reserve SGM’s I met in my career who has the responsibility of a teenager in their civilian job.
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SPC Infantryman
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I had a E-6 team leader (that’s the squad leader in a recon unit, because scouts like to be different) in the national Guard who was a “guard bum” over 40 years old, was a former “semi professional skateboarder”, lived in his moms basement, and made drinks at Starbucks. Now is an instructor at ranger school.

This is a really big guard problem, I’d say 70% of my NCOs are 30+ unemployed, live in their parents basement, or are a failing small business owner.
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SSgt James Harper
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I got out of the AF after 8 years as an E5. I had PME1 and 2. Those classes were by far the most important to my civilian career. I learned to manage, supervise and train people. Then went out and practiced those ideas on the flight line. Those skills I developed gave me a great advantage over civilian peers. I learned how to lead. I am a manager. That is my career path. There were times that there were people I worked with and for, that only had a 4 year degree in foolishness. Like french lit, or a field that had nothing to do with managing people or the product lines we carried. No management experience. But they would be thrust into a position of authority that they had absolutely no training or experience in. They got the job because they had ANY 4 year degree. Many would turn into little tyrants. They never lasted long. I went on to retiring from my own small biz. The AF trains everybody to supervise, train, manage and most of all lead people. Management of people, resources, time, etc is what we do as senior NCO's when we get there. And guess what? In civilian life it is the same. Those that master those skills can flourish. Because the successful path for nearly all careers is upper management/ownership. Is it not? It wasn't about my rank. It is about my training, experience and my ability to apply those skills effectively.
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MAJ Doug Mattox
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In the Guard and Reserves it can present an interesting dilemma. I had a spec 4 who was an architect by trade. Made a hefty 6 figure salary. He did the guard out of dedication and said he did not have the time to become an Officer. Though I did not work for him in civilian life, it was a little intimidating at times.
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SGM Brigade Operations (S3) Sergeant Major
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I agree with CSM, however I take it a step further. I have had GS5, 7, n 11’, work indirectly or directly for me, and most were Ofcrs. I even had a Full COL who was a GS11. He was a reservist n not a member in my command, as were 3 others. As a SGM, that answered to 3 1 Star, 2 2Star, a 3 Star GO and a 4 Star Admiral, I gave them the respect due, but as their Sr Advisor or Supvr I was able to execute my duties n maintain a decorum of communication that was respectful of their background yet authoritive within the scope of my responsibilities of those I represented. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a proper time and place to forget decorum, n protocol, but in private to let a subordinate have it between the eyes with a 2x4 to get their attention and remind them “I may not out rank you, but the authority I represent does, and I speak for them.” That always made them stop and think. All I did was give them options and made it perfectly clear the choice was theirs as so were the consequences. Usually never had this conversation a second time.. Respectfully, tactfully, firmly and authoritatively, you let them know of their position, n that they are civilians, and their military rank or position was checked at the door.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
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It may have some bearing on their civilian job. Were they in a position of leadership at that rank? What level of organizational responsibility came with the rank they achieved? As a 1st Class Petty Officer I have been in charge of running a health records room that supported 5 states worth of patients, and 70,000 records. I would think information like that as part of the rank I had been promoted to would be useful to a civilian employer.
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COL Health Services Plans, Ops, Intelligence, Security,Training
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Because the recruiters sold them on the concept that the skills they learned in the military and income they received is transferable to the civilian employment sector. It isn't until this is proven false that people understand that what they accomplished in the military, their skills, their rank and their experiences are less relevant in finding and keeping employment than relationships with others, civilian recognized credentials, education and a good work ethic.
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Cpl Gerard Babin
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My entire career since my discharge is a result of my Military ethic; I hold myself to a higher standard and demand the respect my post requires. I do not put my head down to civilian supervisors who know my skill and knowledge excels over their degree. Many cry over it- however their supervisors value my arrogance in that area.
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Cpl Gerard Babin - What you are referring to is work ethic, personal standards, pride in your work, and being a member of a team. These are all great traits and are often developed or enhanced through military service. These traits are also independent of career field. My point is specific to career skills. For some unknown reason, medical professional skills gained in the military, very often do not translate into employment in the health sector. Despite hands-on experience, often in environments similar to our hire crime cities of DC, Chicago, NYC, etc., credentialed Med techs struggle during transition. Most must retool and find jobs in non-medical fields. While VA struggles, the organization, there are few veterans serving in positions of responsibility or leadership in the organization.
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