Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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LTC Bill Koski
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Wow! I really didn't think it took that long! It seems to me in my early years in the ARNG it was a couple of months at most.
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CPT(P) Defense Counsel
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Sir, this is exactly why a lot of us are in this position. Vacancy promotions were always the gold standard...I missed my board because I was on a scroll. That was last October and I'm still waiting.
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Anyone have information on P09-17? It has not moved in 84 days. Hopefully we are not in competition with P03-17...
Scroll created with packets and List_ID; P09-17; 84 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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84 days? Prob still sitting on some GS-7 desk.....229 & counting here....winter is coming....
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LTC Battalion Commander
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Looks like all the scrolls received an update today... 94 days to get to Off Judge Adv General...
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I'm on the same list & haven't been able to get my laptop to agree with G1 tracker to check status. Have we moved any closer?
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Any info on P09-17... it does not seem to be moving at all. After 84 days it still has the same message as day 1.
Scroll created with packets and List_ID; P09-17; 84 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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Same scroll Sir. Hopefully it's just someone not updating the tracker and we're moving right along.
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P08-17 here. Ours was the same, and switched over to JAG at day 94.
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Is the G1 website down? I am getting the error listed below. Or maybe the G1 got tired of me checking their website, so they blocked me.

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An error was experienced that could not be recovered from.
This error has been logged
Reference ID: 38734470

If you continue to experience this problem, please provide the reference id to the RCMS help desk at [login to see] or by email at [login to see] .

Reminder: Please do not send emails containing personally identifiable information (PII) to the helpdesk.
Jul 12, 2017 10:55:44
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CPT Communications (S6)
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I've been getting the same error since yesterday.
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Seamless productivity at its best...!! Still, it explains a lot in that why should it surprise us that our respective scrolls inch along at a snail's pace, when the G1 cannot even get their website to work.
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MAJ Master Planning Officer
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Its back up now.
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Thanks for the update.
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Anyone else on P08-17?
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P05, 06 AND 07 published rather quickly, so maybe we'll follow their path. I am praying we aren't like P03 was...what was their wait? 270+ days on the scroll?
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CPT Quartermaster Officer
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it appears P09-17 is ahead of us now
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MAJ Master Planner
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The P08-17 scroll has moved to, "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; P08-17; 183 Days in DoD Approval cycle".
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Published and in IPERMS, DOR 25 Jan 2018, Congrats!
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Anyone else on P10-17?

Anyone actually work at NGB and have deeper insight to this issue? This must be something that can be "fixed."
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CW3 (Join to see) - To your point about the civilians, yes, that is true, especially if they are a GS employee. They are a hermetically sealed entity and it takes an act of God for a GS employee to get fired. As such, they simply do not care; they have job security no matter how poorly and inefficiently they do their job. Even worse, they still get step raises, which are quite lucrative in the DC area. Evidence of that are the BMWs, Mercedes, and the occasional Tesla in the parking lots. Meanwhile, our brothers and sisters not only tend to their civilian careers as doctors, lawyers, police officers, firefighters, engineers, etc., but also to their military careers. We can handle multiple careers; the folks at NGB cannot even do one, and from what I know, an E2 fresh out of basic training could do the job of anyone in the FEDREC process.
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COL (Join to see) - Having an AO would definitely be an ideal solution and it certainly is a great idea. At the same time, however, I can see why the NGB will not resort to this, mainly because they do not want the AO to witness all that is wrong with the FEDREC process insofar as there being enough evidence for the AO to launch an IG complaint, which will most likely end up being a full-fledged investigation. Nevertheless, it must be done, but it is imperative that the AO's rank is above that of a GS13. As you know, those GS13s, GS14s, and GS15s hold these positions seriously, with some of them demanding they speak with a military officer of equivalent rank. It is even more frustrating when neither of these GSs have military experience. I saw this firsthand while working in the IC, to the extent that it made my eyes roll, followed by a derisive chuckle.
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CW3 (Join to see) - You're absolutely correct, and I too have witnessed this. When I was still an E7, I once had a GS14 civilian who was the acting CI Coordinating Authority for a region I will not disclose (not the U.S.), tell me that I needed to utilize my chain-of-command to speak with him because he was the equivalent of a LTC. This was absolutely ridiculous for multiple reasons, not the least of which was that I was the case agent on a time-sensitive investigation and I needed his approval on a particular investigative act, but he wasn't acknowledging any reports/requests I was sending up. My team chief at the time was furious and immediately called our full-bird to chew this civilian out.
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Cringe worthy, indeed! And to think, we have those caliber of folks involved in our FEDREC process. True, there may be some contractors sprinkled in there, but they must always answer to a 'govvie' supervisor. Anyway, I hope you were present for the chewing out session. Good on your team chief and the full bird...!!!!
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Is there anybody else on Scroll U06-17 and who sees it sitting at the JAG office? I lost track on how long it has been there thus far.
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Never mind. I just called Renee Marshall [login to see] ), the one they dubiously call the 'SME' of the FedRec process at the G1 and, to be blunt, that was a minute of my life that I want back. I learned of no potential forecast when our scroll will pass through the JAG, other than the packets were being 'scrubbed for derogatory information'. One would think, or rather assume that with the advent of modern technology, such a process would be more streamlined. Wait! How silly of me to expect this, given the fact that logging into my AKO Webmail on my personal laptop is akin to the Rube Goldberg machine. That is, leave it to the DoD to take simple tasks and then turn them into a byzantine process.
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Anyone heard anything recently now its "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; U06-17; 202 Days in DoD Approval cycle"
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Holy crap only at 108 days JAG... U11-17...
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I fly with a guy on U11-17, he is as frustrated as I am on U10-17.
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P05-17 orders where published yesterday. I think they were at 132 days on the scroll. A little frustrating to be on P04-17. I can only imagine what being on P03-17 feels like.
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How in the world did P05-17 publish before P03-17 and P04-17?
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1LT(P) Rn
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WHAT! How is that even possible??
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CPT(P) Defense Counsel
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P04-17 should be published any day now. P03-17 got skipped when we got held up at JAG for someone's background.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - looking back on some of the posts, P05-17 seems to have made it to OSD a little quicker than P04-17. Hope they both publish soon.
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Any news on P03-17? Seems as though the tracker has stopped altogether and has been stuck at 191 for a few days now! Anyone have the contact at NGB to follow up on this?
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MAJ Physician Assistant
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See my email pict from NGB from yesterday.....appears that tracker is waaay off & we are at SECARMY......
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CPT Military Police
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Like I said above, our Congressman will not do anything. I'm sure NGB gets Congressionals all the time on this stuff. The only way to fix it is to have an article written in the news about the major failure at NGB.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Thanks, that actually helps because our scroll is saying "SECDEF" now and has been for at least two weeks now... That means something at least :(
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Yea we've been at SEC DEF for a few weeks now. Unfortunately, no one is replying to my emails or voicemails at NGB so I don't have any updated information. Still sitting on my thumb!
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CPT(P) Defense Counsel
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P03-17 Update: I called NGB this morning and have bad news. Apparently we are still at JAG, there were some hiccups with some people's backgrounds. P04-17 skipped us and we are at least a month out. I was told differently from my second-hand sources, so this is not good news at all.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Any word on the official date of rank? Once we get the paperwork we should all file our ABCMR backdate requests together.
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MAJ (Join to see) - How did you hear? It still hasn't updated on the G1 site apparently.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - not sure on DOR...I'm just happy this process is over
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Any word on P03-17? 191 days and still at JAG.
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Sorry to have gotten your hopes up, that was the information I was given second-hand.
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CPT(P) Defense Counsel
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I was assured that they have now dropped the three soldiers with negative background information from our scroll and we will now finish the process without anymore hiccups hopefully.
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P03-17 orders were published today (8/23) will be in iPerms in 48 hours!
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Anyone know details on P03-17 at 185 days? It shows it is still at JAG. Seems to be taking abnormally long.
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I updated this elsewhere, but I've been assured the three people that were holding up P03-17 have been removed from our scroll and we are being walked through the rest of the process.
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P03-17 orders were published today (8/23) will be in iPerms in 48 hours!
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Don't play with my emotions, Steve! Who told you this?
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P02-17, My orders were iperm'd the same day the tracker changed to published. Well over a year wait in total until I got promoted.
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CPT(P) Judge Advocate
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Imagine how much money the Gov't saved by making you wait 15 months.
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Anyone who is on P02-017 will be happy to learn that the order was published by NGB on 19 MAY 17... that was appx. 191 days on the counter. I'm sure timelines will vary on when those of us on the scroll will actually see our orders in iPERMS.
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CPT(P) Judge Advocate
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FIN-A-LY! . . .I'm still contacting my Congressman though. Why in the world does it take so long to do something that Active Duty processes in the span of 6 months?

Is Reserve Component truly the Red-Headed Stepchild of the Army?
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - I just checked my iPERMS and my FEDREC order and promotion letter are both in there already.
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Wahhh... retired as a E6 NoGo honorably 4 yrs ago... still haven't seen my master wings or retirement ribbon. So officers complaining can pound sand.
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SFC S.t. Helms (Ret)
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Meh... graduated out of a unit that didn't care. Perhaps I was such an @$$hole that it didn't matter (doubt it, I am still in touch with many of them). NatGuard let things slip.
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BTW... you're a touchy LT that probably has spent maybe 3 years in and never had to do a patrol. Whether in training or in the real world. Mind you, I never patroled in the real world. Leave that to the door kickers.
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As I stated earlier.. 16 years, 10 years enlisted, 2 deployments as 11B to Ramadi in the early part of the war. I assure you that I have just as much experience if not more than you retired SFC. Like I said, your post are unnecessary. This post is for Officer's looking for updates on the promotion process, there are plenty of other posts you can troll around on. Again, thank you for your service.
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"Pounding sand", that's some sort of corrective training, isn't it? I have my valet do that sort of thing for me. After he feeds me my caviar, of course.
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Shout out to everyone on L02-17. Broke day 100 on the tracker....hooah?
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hooah
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Day 134 now I think. Still at JAG apparently.
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Just an update for P04-17. Sounds like we have at least another month, if we go the same way P02-17 went. Frustrating.

Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P04-17; 136 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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MAJ (Join to see) - Almost a month according to the tracker, but I think it was there about 2 months according to my email traffic with NGB.
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CPT (Join to see) - Who are you emailing? I don't get any replies or call backs.
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MAJ (Join to see) - SFC Chrissy Palmer. She is on the global. I'm sure she fields dozens of these types of emails each day, but she is very helpful. I try to limit emailing her to once a month.
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Update:
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Looking for information on the scrolling process for Nurses that have been selected in the November Boards. We are still waiting on this scroll to make it thru Congress (we are told), anyone have an idea of how long this takes or who we can contact to find out where a name is in the process? Thanks.
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MAJ(P) Brigade Communications Officer (S6)
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Is this for National Guard? The process we are discussing in this thread is the FedRec process for rank promotions which only applies to NGB Soldiers.
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your orders are produced by the state you belong to and filling that position. The reserve corps works off the federal system and federal line number. Therefore, waiting until that number is filled on the national scale. Just bigger numbers to deal with, the red tape on a larger scale combined makes for that long wait.
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Congrats everyone! I was also on Scoll L01-17, and my DOR was backdated all the way to FEB 2016! Anyone know how long it typically takes to get back pay and if its automatic?
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It took about a week for everything to show me as a W4. I would guess you are going to see the back pay the next time you have pay processed.
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I was in U01-17 and DOR is 22mar17 my state orders are from 22Mar16, did you guys did anything special or just were lucky to get your orders backdated?
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CW4 (Join to see) - W1 to W2 & O1 to O2 get back pay the rest of us get to suck it up.
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Thanks chief for the info...
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