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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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Just think, that in the time that it takes to complete the FEDREC process for U06-17, it is equal to or more than:
1. A deployment, complete with PMT, DEMOB, and leave
2. A full year of college, to include summer session
3. A full-term pregnancy, followed by maternity leave
4. The time it takes to train a fighter pilot (average is 8-9 months)
5. An adjudicated TS clearance, complete with full scope poly
6. The Special Forces Qualification Course, minus language school (and that seemed forever)
7. Six(6) Ranger School Classes, possibly seven (7). Heck, a Ranger School student could recycle each phase twice and still graduate before U06-17 is completed
8. Lastly, I could watch my child grow from birth to that one-year mark when they are walking. Or in my case my child reached the age to graduate college, and then started to have a family of his own, thus beginning #1 all over again in an infinite cycle, much like Groundhog Day.

It kind of puts things in perspective!
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Sgt Charles Welling
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Where did you get that fighter pilot nonsense? Two years generally of flight training of all levels, another two years of combat flight training in an operating unit to become dangerous to the enemy. In 8 months a candidate can scratch his rear and knows general flight theory, maybe what the stick and relief tube are.
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CW3 (Join to see) - I for one am glad you're back.
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Cpl Ed Hines
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You are trying to change the military? You must be some kind of shitbag. (At least, that's what I was told as a CPL attempting to make changes that i saw needed doing). Lol
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Thank you all for the thumbs up votes for my tongue in cheek post; although there was one error, namely the timeline to train a pilot. I owe that correction to SGT Welling, so I apologize for being presumptuous. Nevertheless, from what I heard recently the FEDREC process has improved somewhat. In government speak, however, 'improved' is a relative term. That is, I liken it to a county road crew 'improving' a road by filling in potholes with poorly mixed asphalt, thereby resulting in the pothole to reappear that next year. Seriously, how is the FEDREC process these days? I hope our brethren today are not subject to the frustration that your predecessors had to undergo.
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This weeks update. Report said as of 17 Apr.
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MAJ Multifunctional Logistician
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Chief, do you think you can get one for June? We're missing 29th May, and coming up 6 June. I find that so far this tracker is more accurate and up to date than what's showing in my "ORB/Soldier Data" section.
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Yes Chief I we all appreciate your help and are hanging on the wire with this report.
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Good Morning Chief! Do you have an updated version of this report? I find this to be very helpful.
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Good point, sir. Didnt realize, but its been a while since I got an update, so I dont have anything. However, hopefully get one this week....
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Update as of 5 Jun
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Thanks for posting these Chief!
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Thanks for the updates CW5 (Join to see) !

- D07-18
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Thanks Chief!
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CW5 Bruce B. I am in the same boat. Is there a way for me to get a current list?
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Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Not many updates, but here it is.
Current as of 11 Sep
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MAJ Communications Officer (S6)
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Looks like we may have lost our regular updates from our resident CW5. It makes sense. His scroll published a couple months ago and I assume he doesn't feel compelled to push out updates. We all appreciate his help, wisdom and the time he has spent helping everyone out on this thread.

Chief, you are definitely not obligated or pressured to post updates anymore.

However, I hope someone else with his level access picks up where he left off to keep spirits high.
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Still here, just havent gotten any updates from the boards manager. I did email him last week tho, so might have an answer this week on whether there will be more updates...
I only have DPRO access for my unit, so cant get a big picture of where things stand...
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CW5 (Join to see) - Are you still able to do updates?
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CW5 (Join to see) My unit vacancy packet for promotion to Major was sent to NGB in late June 2020 but my brigade S1 still cannot provide me a status other than it is at NGB. Any suggestions?
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And, will update this one in the future, taking out everything already completed.
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CW5 (Join to see) - Thank you so much for the reply, have my toes and fingers crossed hoping it will be sooner rather than later.
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CW3 Brigade Communications Officer (S6)
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CW5 (Join to see) - U0819 shares your frustration brother. It sounds like there may be some hope for a backdate. I have been deployed now for months and lost pay due to this process.
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CW5 Jonathan Sigl
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CW5, I am on Scroll U05-18, and noticed that it isn't on your list. The scroll has been at SEC DEF for the same amount of time as U05-18. Are you not pulling it because your no one on your state is on it, or it isn't available? Just wondering if I am missing something.
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CW5 Jonathan Sigl - He can't see it. I'm on U-05 as well.
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Here is a recap of the tracker I kept during this whole process for scroll P02-17. Your results may vary; I certainly hope they do. Congrats to all newly promoted officers and best of luck to those that continue to needlessly wait.
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CPT Griff Tatum - same boat here
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MAJ (Join to see) - Wow. That's probably the funniest thing I've seen this morning. I am on P10-17. We are now past the 300 day mark. Our scroll sat at JAG for 6 months, unfortunately.
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Anyone know how long this process takes for the active duty?
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1LT(P) (Join to see) - No, but from my perspective, it is instantaneous, lightening-speed Magic. *POOF* You're a Captain. Go forth and conquer.
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Anyone else come here several times a day to check for updates? :D
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You're not alone lol
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yep...same here
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Guilty.
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Crazy how RP has become the "go-to" spot for reliable updates.....I'll be sure to sound off if I see one of you all when I'm away from home station...first beers on me
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BACKPAY TO STATE PROMOTION ORDER!!! ONLY FOR THOSE STILL IN THE FEDREC PROCESS AND NOT FOR THOSE ALREADY FEDERALLY RECONGNIZED.

Legislation: Back Pay for Promotion Delay
NGAUS expects bipartisan legislation to be introduced today, May 8th 2018, in the House and Senate that would provide National Guard officers with back pay to the date of their state promotions once their boost in rank is recognized by the Defense Department.

It would also require the service secretaries to review the entire promotion process and recommend fixes that would prevent long delays between state promotions and federal recognition of those promotions.
The National Guard Promotion Accountability Act will be introduced by Sen. Steve Daines, R-Mont., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., in the Senate. Rep. Trent Kelly, R-Miss., and Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H., are expected to sponsor the House version.

Guard officers often take on jobs of their higher rank following state promotions, but wait months for completion of the federal paperwork, which is when they begin receiving the higher pay. If Congress approves this legislation, officers still on the waiting list when the president signs it into law would receive the pay hike back to the date of their state promotions, which would become their dates of rank.

The pay would not be retroactive for officers already federally recognized when the law is signed.

“National Guard officers are 21st-century combat leaders saddled with a 20th-century promotion process,” said retired Brig. Gen. Roy Robinson, the NGAUS president. “The agonizingly long wait times hurt morale and contribute to some leaving the force. This legislation should help reform the process. Guard officers nationwide appreciate the sponsors’ recognizing the problem and offering these common-sense fixes.”

He pointed out, too, that NGAUS is the only military-service organization to take on the federal recognition process.

Under the current system, many Guard officers have waited more than six months for their promotion to be finalized. Defense Department data show that nearly 7,000 Guardsmen are currently cooling their heels and have been for an average of 285 days. In fact, the data also show that the fastest a promotion list, called a scroll, has been approved this year is 245 days.

This issue began receiving attention last fall after NGAUS officials heard about it from officers at various state association conferences. A survey conducted by NGAUS exposed the breadth of the problem and the association has made it a priority.

Warren, who sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee, even questioned Army Secretary Mark Esper about it during his confirmation hearing in November.




https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/legislation-back-pay-promotion-delay?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=May%208%2C%202018%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Back%20Pay%20for%20Promotion%20Delay%20Introducedhttps://http://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/legislation-back-pay-promotion-delay?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=May%208%2C%202018%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Back%20Pay%20for%20Promotion%20Delay%20Introduced
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I concur with CPT (Join to see) -. No back pay for those whos state orders are already published. Page 3 of the bill:
1 (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
2 subsection (a) shall take effect on the date of the enact
3 ment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to National
4 Guard officers whose promotion to a grade is approved
5 by a State after that date.
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Hello All - It has been a while since I have looked at these threads, but I had a unique opportunity recently and I thought I would share.
Sen Warren visited Taji on July 4th and I asked her about the Fed Rec bill she is sponsoring. Specifically, what is our recourse for those of us effected by the delays (333 days), but left out of the bill.
Her short answer: "We are working on it."
She says, of course, it is about funding, but one of the options she is working on is to allow the State TAG to submit request for back-dated officer promotions. At least it is a start. I will encourage everyone to keep pushing this to your representatives.
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CPT (Join to see) - This is such a positive update, thank you for sharing! It's a good reminder to keep up the pressure. Hope you're doing well!
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Last I checked this got shot down. Was deemed unfair to our active duty counterparts to just streamline our process. It's not like all my active duty classmates got automatically promoted last year and I'm just starting my scroll or anything...
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Its been a while, but I got an update yesterday....
Will post this one, just for the whole picture...
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Thanks Chief!!
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CW5 (Join to see) Chief, Would you be able to provide another update? It sounds like P11-18 published prior to P10-18?
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I will check... Hadn't thought about it, but now that you mention, havent seen that report in a while. Might be that the author is off at school, or I might have been dropped from the distro...
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Chief by any chance do you have any updates for P31-21 as of this year?
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I wonder if the Space Force promotions will be any quicker?
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That was great
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Can you imagine how long it will take to hand carry the packets...
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Just kidding. I spoke too soon. An update was posted last night. Things are looking good here!
L02-19 - JAG
P04-19 - OSD
P05-19 - OSD (This is mine and means close to the end!)
P06-19 - Adverse Screening
P07-19 Adverse Screening
P08-19 - Adverse Screening
P09-19 - JAG
P10-19 - JAG
P11-19 - JAG
S06-18 - OSD
SL03-19 - JAG
U1-19 - OSD
U03-19 OSD
U04-19 OSD
U06-19 Adverse Screening
U07-19 - JAG
U08-19 - JAG
U(d)9-19 JAG
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U03-19 check IPERMS, got mine, DOR 14 March
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Come on Update
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It's funny waiting for this, because it's pins and needles every day and then once it comes, its on to the next thing in life and mostly forgotten.
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Where are you getting these updates? CPT (Join to see)
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As of 30 Nov 18

L04-18 – ASA (M&RA)
PL12-18 - OSD
PL13-18 - CSA
PL14-18 - ASA (M&RA)
PL15-18 - ASA (M&RA)
PL01-19 - OTJAG
SL06-18 - ASA (M&RA)
SL01-19 - OTJAG
U(d) 11-18 - OSD
U(d) 15-18 - Adverse Screening
U10-18 - Check iPerms for Orders <------ think this was the only change from the 16th of Nov.
U12-18 - Adverse Screening
U13-18 - Adverse Screening
U14-18 - Adverse Screening
U01-19 - OTJAG
U02-19 - OTJAG
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MAJ (Join to see) - gotcha, no I've been glued to the most recent posts showing the scroll updates hoping for good news before the release from my state expires. Maybe I will and they'll make me feel better about all of this haha
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I know this is not the best pic but here is the latest update as of 07 DEC.
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Any updates on this from Jan 19?
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CPT Current Operations Officer (J33)
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Thanks for letting me know that the Fedrec tracker was down! Jesus.. I've been showing packet acceptance since November 30. I got scared that it was showing at that level.

Thanks!
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As of 01 NOV 2018:
L04-18 - OTJAG
PL10-18 - Ckeck eTracker for published order
PL11-18 - Check iPERMS for published order
PL12-18 - OTJAG
PL13-18 - OTJAG
PL14-18 - Adverse Screening
PL15-18 - Adverse Screening
PL01-19 - DMPM
SL06-18 - Adverse Screening
SL01-19 - DMPM
U(d) 07-18 - Check iPERMS for published order
U(d) 11-18 - OTJAG
U(d) 15-18 - Adverse Screening
U09-18 Check iPERMS for published order
U10-18 - Adverse Screening
U12-18 - OTJAG
U13-18 - OTJAG
U14-18 - OTJAG
U01-19 - DMPM
U02-19 - DMPM
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Ma'am, would you mind emailing your contact about scroll statuses? I was just wondering if there had been any movement in the last 2 weeks.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Anyone have their orders post in IPerms for P10-18?
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Would you mind sharing your POC to get scroll updates? If they have an out of office message active, we won't even have to bother them. Someone needs to keep the updates coming!
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CPT (Join to see) - I believe MAJ (Join to see) would have that info sir.
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As of 29Oct18:
L04-18 - OTJAG
PL10-18 - CSA
PL11-18 - Check iPERMS for published order (Yes - this is correct!)
PL12-18 - OTJAG
PL13-18 - OTJAG
PL14-18 - Adverse Screening
PL15-18 - Adverse Screening
SL06-18 - Adverse Screening
SL01-19 - DMPM
U(d) 07-18 - OSD
U(d) 11-18 - OTJAG
U(d) 15-18 - Adverse Screening
U09-18 Check iPERMS for published order
U10-18 - Adverse Screening
U12-18 - OTJAG
U13-18 - OTJAG
U14-18 - OTJAG
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MAJ (Join to see) I get the info from someone's out of office response. They updated this as they receive the information.
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UPDATE: Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval; P10-18; 178 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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Believe it or not but the G1 portal tracker says that too. Only took a solid month plus to update. Hopefully the Sec Def approval only takes a few days, if that.
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So, probably another 4wks before we see anything...
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This weeks scroll update. I took off scrolls that have been approved for a while. If you want that historical data, its still posted further below.
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Vice Chief of Staff of the Army.
Its been a while since this was posted so I'll just refresh...
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T09-18?
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Wonder if this will hold me up going Reserve AGR. I submitted my App on HRC site and will be in the August board. Can anyone enlighten me??
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1LT(P) Q J. - Yeah I was hopeful to get on Active Duty under the CAD MILPER 18-56, because it didn't state that WOs had to have WOBC complete. It simply stated that we needed to have experience, education, and training in our field. Well that Milper message has since been updated and now it states WO1 have to have WOBC complete before being considered. I am not even scheduled to start WOBC until March 2019, so now I am hopeful for the reserve AGR option.
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The much anticipated "Status of the Scrolls"....
3 weeks since previous update, so a lot of action.
No one in my State on U03, U05, U07, U08 (assuming they exist) so I wont get any status on them.
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Does anyone have reference to S01-18. I did not see it on CW4 Bruce's screenshot. I checked the G1 FEDREQ tracker, but it appears to be behind based on scrolls that have published over the last week?
Thanks!
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On "My AKO/ORB/FED REC status" tab, does anyone know what the colors (Red, Amber, Green) represent when it's filled in on top of the "number of days in the scroll"? Today, mine shows "120 days in the scroll" but it just has the white background without any color. Yesterday, it was amber/yellow with 119 days. Just curious.
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Sir, on day 121 it will turn red. There is no significance that day 120 is white. Probably just a glitch, it happened to me too.
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A trusted, reliable source here at the building let me know that P10-17 got signed last night. Shooters..watch your lane.
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How about P05-18? any eyes on that?
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It would be awesome of your reliable source could give an update to P15-17 before the weekend?
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Any word on the status of P05-18?
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LTC (Join to see) - Did the LTC ever respond to you regarding the status of your scroll? Thanks.
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Our state OPM is awesome. He just sent a new update. Here is the *actual* status of scrolls of of 2 Feb 2018. Those of you on D08-17, it is now back at OSD, so hopefully this means it will be signed soon.
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CPT (Join to see) - Yikes! Thanks for the info. Now I have somewhat of realistic target amount of days to expect. 2-3 more months I guess. I'm sure the holiday season threat of government shutdowns didn't help us out... smh... thanks again tho.
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COL State Surgeon Illinois Army National Guard
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Chief,
Any chance you can get the screen updated reflecting current status S01-18 and other current scrolling packets?
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Sir, pick the option above the posts to "sort by newest" and there will be updated info near the top....
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CPT Griff Tatum
CPT Griff Tatum
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Any way you can get an updated list for almost 2 months later? Im on L04-17 and my FEDREC G1 page says JAG, but this says DMPM so Im curious to what this list would say now. where do you find this? 218 days in the process for us 04-17 guys and gals.
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Yes, I am back, and yes scroll U06-17 is now deemed a relic. In fact, I think I am going to contact the archeologists at the Smithsonian Institution to examine the scroll by running it through a carbon dating process. They may, in fact, scratch their heads in wonder because the half-life decay far exceeds that of carbon-14. Their final assessment on the original date of scroll U06-17: inconclusive.
In all seriousness, I learned from our CCWO that another 180A (SF Warrant) went through the FedRec after me, and received his promotion within the past 2-months. Then he added that U06-17 is setting the record (for our state, not nationally) for the longest time it has gone through this idiotic process. Needless to say, my inner 'Ranger mad...ranger smash' came out, followed by flipping tables and getting into my car to unleash my road rage...on everyone, even to the cops that pulled me over after conducting a high-risk stop. While I was on the ground, and with my hands spread out, I turned my head and spoke out of the corner of my mouth to explain, in detail, about the FedRec process. The officers dropped their weapons at their side and almost like a church chorus, they collectively sang, "Ahhhh, we don't blame you! La la laaa.....we know about the FedRec, a national disgrace....la laa la!" It was magical. I dusted myself off, got back in my car, and drove away as the officers said, with tears rolling down their cheeks, "There goes another victim whose oxygen was stolen by the thieves running the FedRec process."
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CW3 Special Forces Warrant Officer
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Negligence, apathy, and overall complacency are traits that cause systems to deteriorate to the point of utter disrepair. Unless the NGB purges their workforce and replaces them with government and contract employees who truly care about this country and the military, the NGB will continue into perpetuity to be a symbol of ineptitude at its worst. If I was the NGB, I would be embarrassed to stand before the SECDEF's desk, after which he may suggest they close the door behind them to receive a..ahem...good ole fashioned talking to. What the NGB did is not how SMs are supposed to be treated. Disgraceful, utterly disgraceful.
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Word on the street U06-17 was signed by SEC DEF
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CW3 Brigade Communications Officer (S6)
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I am U06-18, I know ...I know... I need to be patient right? This process is ridiculous when you consider all we are required to do to get promoted. Normally it would not be such a big deal but since I am deployed it is a big pay difference. My Fed Rec status has not changed in more than a month. If anyone knows of another tracker please point me in that direction.
Thanks brothers!
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CW3 (Join to see) - I'm on U06-18 as well for promotion to CW5 and I have been checking the tracker probably more than I should because it is really depressing to see absolutely no movement. I checked it this morning however and it has finally made a move. My packet was submitted to NGB on Feb 1st, 2018 so I'm prepared for an end of the year order being published. CW4 David Morrow
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QUICK UPDATE: For those that are on Scroll L01-17 & P01-17; our packets are at OSD. Apparently the tracker system hasn't been updated as the individual who manages it has been out out on leave for 3 weeks. So have no fear they are moving along! Not too much longer!
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Your story sounds just like mine. My order was published October 21st. It was over 90 days before it appeared to start moving in the scroll. I understand that Army wants to ensure it promoting the right people and no one slips through the cracks but this is become silly. I am just hoping the scroll publishes before August (AT).
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What was the total days on your counter when it was all said and done
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MSG Michael McEleney
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No wonder the NG has a retention problem.
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1LT (Join to see) It's good to see you again, even if its because of the same issue when we were 2LT's!
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