Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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LTC Charles T Dalbec
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Unfortunately having to go they many wickets many systems don't talk to each other so they have to 'hand jam' data where there will be errors etc.
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Anyone have any new information for PO3-17? 264 days now...
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Just checked DPRO.... status changed to published
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Happy for you all. I was starting to think it would never go through.
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Prob gonna take 30-45 days to post in iPERMS......
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Edited 8 y ago
Does anyone have any new information for PO3-17? 264 days now...
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It is currently at Day 264
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orders published today (8/23) will be in iperms in 48 hours
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ARNG Officers and Warrants used to only go as far as NGB for FEDREC. There was a special board and process. In 2014 or thereabouts that changed we now go through the same wickets at the Pentagon that our Active Duty and Reserve Component brethren do, which tripled the typical wait time, since we're all in the same queue now. It took me 8 months after getting my State order to get FEDREC'd. This is the new reality, so prepare and submit your future packets as soon as possible!
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The problem is that active and army reserve do not have to go through a state body. We do. And that state body will not promote you until you are at the date when you are eligible. So instead of you getting your stuff to fedrec months in advance to make sure your promotion isn't delayed, you have to wait for your state. Its incredibly short sighted that anyone thought this was a good idea.
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Spot on LT: concur! Title 10 and Title 32 personnel have radically different missions in their assigned units; why should we be shoe-horned into the same processes? It doesn't make any sense.
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In NYS our OPM allows WO's (I'm a prior CW2) to get state boarded before their eligibility so they can pull the trigger on FedRec the day they are promotable. Regular O's on the other hand have to wait. It took me months to get to the state promo board.... And I concur with what Mr. Michel said. Back in 2012 it took me less than 4 months from state orders until FedRec... Now, I am Scroll P04-18 Day #0... what's the under/over? haha
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Just spoke to CW3 Poppy about L02-17, and this is the response I got:

"This scroll is at OSD (SEC DEF) awaiting approval as of the status report dated 24 Jul 17. Request that you go through your State OPM to get status updates. We only get them once a month and we push them to the OPMs via MilSuite. Due to the number of inquiries on all the scrolls from individuals, we can no longer keep answering individuals. It is starting to affect our abilities to process scrolls."

So I guess we should all stop emailing people at NGB.

L02-17, day 196, OSD. Guess we'll be breaking 200 days on the tracker.
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I literally just burst out laughing. Wow....
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CPT Military Police
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She sent me the same exact email...word for word...about 2 weeks ago
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MAJ Physician Assistant
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Don't worry......30 to 45 days........
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Is there anyone we can complaint or get more information
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Attention Scroll P03-17... We are not at SECDEF. We moved a step closer!
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"30-45 days".........bahahahahahaha
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99 more days & 3-17 cracks a year since scroll created!
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MAJ Protection Cell Operations Officer
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P03-17 orders were published today (8/23) will be in iPerms in 48 hours!
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Update on L02-17: Awaiting Off of SEC DEF Approval, day 176 on the tracker. finally moved after more than 100 days.
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Contact CW3 Poppy today for an update on P03-17:
"As of Monday, this scroll was at OSD - Office of Secretary of Defense. This is the approval level. Hopefully within the next 30-45 days, we will receive the approved/signed copy so we can publish orders."
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I was happy to see that as well. It's kind of sad that we get so excited to see a change on a scroll that should have NEVER taken this long. I consider us the P03-17 Band of Brothers/Sisters....lol. I truly hope it doesn't take another month to publish.
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MAJ Physician Assistant
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Historically the previous scrolls have sat from 30-50 days prior to publication @ SECDEF......so we might have only a couple of months left to wait!!
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What is CW3 Poppy's position?
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P03-17 orders were published today (8/23) will be in iPerms in 48 hours!
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Who wants to do an over/under on whether P03-17 makes it to 365 on the fed rec counter?
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Its going over...
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P03-17 orders were published today (8/23) will be in iPerms in 48 hours!
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MAJ (Join to see) Where are you seeing this? G1 Website is still showing "Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval".
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CPT (Join to see) - I emailed SFC Palmer on Monday and she responded to my email today with the following: "Orders for P03-17 were published today. Orders should be in iPERMS within the next 48 hours."
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Wow! I really didn't think it took that long! It seems to me in my early years in the ARNG it was a couple of months at most.
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Sir, this is exactly why a lot of us are in this position. Vacancy promotions were always the gold standard...I missed my board because I was on a scroll. That was last October and I'm still waiting.
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Anyone have information on P09-17? It has not moved in 84 days. Hopefully we are not in competition with P03-17...
Scroll created with packets and List_ID; P09-17; 84 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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84 days? Prob still sitting on some GS-7 desk.....229 & counting here....winter is coming....
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Looks like all the scrolls received an update today... 94 days to get to Off Judge Adv General...
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I'm on the same list & haven't been able to get my laptop to agree with G1 tracker to check status. Have we moved any closer?
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Any info on P09-17... it does not seem to be moving at all. After 84 days it still has the same message as day 1.
Scroll created with packets and List_ID; P09-17; 84 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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Same scroll Sir. Hopefully it's just someone not updating the tracker and we're moving right along.
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P08-17 here. Ours was the same, and switched over to JAG at day 94.
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Is the G1 website down? I am getting the error listed below. Or maybe the G1 got tired of me checking their website, so they blocked me.

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An error was experienced that could not be recovered from.
This error has been logged
Reference ID: 38734470

If you continue to experience this problem, please provide the reference id to the RCMS help desk at [login to see] or by email at [login to see] .

Reminder: Please do not send emails containing personally identifiable information (PII) to the helpdesk.
Jul 12, 2017 10:55:44
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I've been getting the same error since yesterday.
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Seamless productivity at its best...!! Still, it explains a lot in that why should it surprise us that our respective scrolls inch along at a snail's pace, when the G1 cannot even get their website to work.
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Its back up now.
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Thanks for the update.
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Anyone else on P08-17?
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P05, 06 AND 07 published rather quickly, so maybe we'll follow their path. I am praying we aren't like P03 was...what was their wait? 270+ days on the scroll?
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it appears P09-17 is ahead of us now
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The P08-17 scroll has moved to, "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; P08-17; 183 Days in DoD Approval cycle".
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Published and in IPERMS, DOR 25 Jan 2018, Congrats!
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Anyone else on P10-17?

Anyone actually work at NGB and have deeper insight to this issue? This must be something that can be "fixed."
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CW3 (Join to see) - To your point about the civilians, yes, that is true, especially if they are a GS employee. They are a hermetically sealed entity and it takes an act of God for a GS employee to get fired. As such, they simply do not care; they have job security no matter how poorly and inefficiently they do their job. Even worse, they still get step raises, which are quite lucrative in the DC area. Evidence of that are the BMWs, Mercedes, and the occasional Tesla in the parking lots. Meanwhile, our brothers and sisters not only tend to their civilian careers as doctors, lawyers, police officers, firefighters, engineers, etc., but also to their military careers. We can handle multiple careers; the folks at NGB cannot even do one, and from what I know, an E2 fresh out of basic training could do the job of anyone in the FEDREC process.
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COL (Join to see) - Having an AO would definitely be an ideal solution and it certainly is a great idea. At the same time, however, I can see why the NGB will not resort to this, mainly because they do not want the AO to witness all that is wrong with the FEDREC process insofar as there being enough evidence for the AO to launch an IG complaint, which will most likely end up being a full-fledged investigation. Nevertheless, it must be done, but it is imperative that the AO's rank is above that of a GS13. As you know, those GS13s, GS14s, and GS15s hold these positions seriously, with some of them demanding they speak with a military officer of equivalent rank. It is even more frustrating when neither of these GSs have military experience. I saw this firsthand while working in the IC, to the extent that it made my eyes roll, followed by a derisive chuckle.
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CW3 (Join to see) - You're absolutely correct, and I too have witnessed this. When I was still an E7, I once had a GS14 civilian who was the acting CI Coordinating Authority for a region I will not disclose (not the U.S.), tell me that I needed to utilize my chain-of-command to speak with him because he was the equivalent of a LTC. This was absolutely ridiculous for multiple reasons, not the least of which was that I was the case agent on a time-sensitive investigation and I needed his approval on a particular investigative act, but he wasn't acknowledging any reports/requests I was sending up. My team chief at the time was furious and immediately called our full-bird to chew this civilian out.
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Cringe worthy, indeed! And to think, we have those caliber of folks involved in our FEDREC process. True, there may be some contractors sprinkled in there, but they must always answer to a 'govvie' supervisor. Anyway, I hope you were present for the chewing out session. Good on your team chief and the full bird...!!!!
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Is there anybody else on Scroll U06-17 and who sees it sitting at the JAG office? I lost track on how long it has been there thus far.
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Never mind. I just called Renee Marshall [login to see] ), the one they dubiously call the 'SME' of the FedRec process at the G1 and, to be blunt, that was a minute of my life that I want back. I learned of no potential forecast when our scroll will pass through the JAG, other than the packets were being 'scrubbed for derogatory information'. One would think, or rather assume that with the advent of modern technology, such a process would be more streamlined. Wait! How silly of me to expect this, given the fact that logging into my AKO Webmail on my personal laptop is akin to the Rube Goldberg machine. That is, leave it to the DoD to take simple tasks and then turn them into a byzantine process.
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Anyone heard anything recently now its "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; U06-17; 202 Days in DoD Approval cycle"
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Holy crap only at 108 days JAG... U11-17...
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I fly with a guy on U11-17, he is as frustrated as I am on U10-17.
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P05-17 orders where published yesterday. I think they were at 132 days on the scroll. A little frustrating to be on P04-17. I can only imagine what being on P03-17 feels like.
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How in the world did P05-17 publish before P03-17 and P04-17?
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WHAT! How is that even possible??
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CPT(P) Defense Counsel
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P04-17 should be published any day now. P03-17 got skipped when we got held up at JAG for someone's background.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - looking back on some of the posts, P05-17 seems to have made it to OSD a little quicker than P04-17. Hope they both publish soon.
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Any news on P03-17? Seems as though the tracker has stopped altogether and has been stuck at 191 for a few days now! Anyone have the contact at NGB to follow up on this?
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See my email pict from NGB from yesterday.....appears that tracker is waaay off & we are at SECARMY......
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Like I said above, our Congressman will not do anything. I'm sure NGB gets Congressionals all the time on this stuff. The only way to fix it is to have an article written in the news about the major failure at NGB.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Thanks, that actually helps because our scroll is saying "SECDEF" now and has been for at least two weeks now... That means something at least :(
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Yea we've been at SEC DEF for a few weeks now. Unfortunately, no one is replying to my emails or voicemails at NGB so I don't have any updated information. Still sitting on my thumb!
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P03-17 Update: I called NGB this morning and have bad news. Apparently we are still at JAG, there were some hiccups with some people's backgrounds. P04-17 skipped us and we are at least a month out. I was told differently from my second-hand sources, so this is not good news at all.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Any word on the official date of rank? Once we get the paperwork we should all file our ABCMR backdate requests together.
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MAJ (Join to see) - How did you hear? It still hasn't updated on the G1 site apparently.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - not sure on DOR...I'm just happy this process is over
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