Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?

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Yes you should?????

"when in rome"...yes go ahead?

I was informed by our G1 that U10-17 was approved, effective 05 JAN 2018. Also, NGB FED REC section, mentioned that they had received the signed copy yesterday and were trying to publish the orders. Once published I-PERMs should update in about 48 hours

CW5 (Join to see) - "Pushed U06-17" ....Excellent bullet point, instant "Above Center Mass" rating, hahaha

Any word on U11-17? Tracker has it at 216 day and still in JAG... since August..

From the evidence thus far, I am inferring that a chain of events at the NGB caused FY17 to be one of the worst years for the FedRec process, but then again I am merely making an observation. It would require an investigation of previous FYs to run a comparison, but to have scrolls sitting at 300-days or more is clearly an indicator that something is amiss in the NGB.

CW4(P) (Join to see) - At least you see a change. U06-17 has been at Sec Army since last August/September. 330-days and counting.

CW4 (Join to see) - I was informed by our G1 that U10-17 was approved, effective 05 JAN 2018. Also, NGB FED REC section, mentioned that they had received the signed copy yesterday and were trying to publish the orders. Once published I-PERMs should update in about 48 hours

Awesome news Travis! It'll be great to finally have something other than the scroll to talk about.
Good luck to all the other scroll's out there, hopefully they get cleaned up soon!

Status updated and orders in my iperms. Promotion has an effective date of 5JAN2018.
248 days on the scroll + 120 days early submittal = 368 days. I guess it could have been worse; glad the wait is over!

My orders are dated 27 June so I'm right there with you. I say we do the backdate DOR to where we would have been in the event it takes too long and it sets us back a year promotion wise

well, its day 122 and we've moved into the red. Maybe I'll get promoted to CPT when I retire in a few years.

136 days still at JAG.

Weve been at JAG for over 100 days now.

Congrats man! That's big time right there. You are almost at 03-17 level.

I'm going to make a FedRec tab to wear on my uniform. Or, perhaps suggest that this accomplishment goes on my next OER.

MAJ (Join to see) - Ok. When I typed that, I was pretty sure you were on a "P" list. Since all NG WOs are unit vacancy promos, thats what the "U" is for. Didnt know if RLOs that were UV promo were different than DA select. Havent had much need over the years to learn about your promotion system....

CW5 (Join to see) - Thanks for clearing some of that up. So all Army Officers are going through this vetting process. So is the Air National Guard, they are just more efficient, because the promotions I have seen from them take about 4 months. While I think vetting is a good thing, I think it is terrible for the individual officers to absorb the effects. Correct me if I am wrong, our promotions are not backdated for Time In Grade or pay purposes? So the date of rank on my state promotion orders of 1 FEB don't really mean anything, because I haven't been 'screened.' Fast forward in an unchanged system, what happens after 3 or 4 promotions with a year of processing time each? Someone is potentially retiring a grade less than they otherwise would have. Sure, a CW4 or MAJ may not make as much noise about it. This change happened just last year, and how many more promotions do they have to go? Contrast that with a 1LT or CW2...losing potentially multiple years of TIG is a big deal when you are with the Army for the long haul. Not to mention the thousands of dollars lost...I don't need to explain that, everyone hates losing money. If the Army wants to vet us cool, but back date us is my take.

I agree 100%. We should be back dated to our state's date of rank. I don't care necessarily about back pay but for TIG for future advancement.

In some cases, ABCMR has changed DOR when there were extenuating circumstances. It doesn't happen often tho and doesn't change for pay. It must be extreme and outside of your control tho (dont ask me what 'extreme' is).
Thinking back, its interesting that in the old days, at least for WOs, our DOR was backdated to State Orders date, including for pay. In 2012, my last promotion was backdated to the date FedRec was approved, but even back then, it only took a little more than 2 months from State board. Back then, I believe CNGB was delegated FedRec approval authority. In 2007, it took a little more than a month.
Again, for WOs, there has been a change since 2012 that now requires SecDef approval (delegated from POTUS) on FedRec orders.

So 2 more months from NOV 16, that is awesome. Especially with the fact that the last scroll approved was back in AUG.

Does anyone know the story on that? As far as I have heard no scrolls have been published for 4 months....what is happening?

I don't what's been happening, but I can comment on the effect....This entire process is destroying morale. I have friends on U06-17, U10-17, U11-17. All of us have earned our promotions. We are being punished for the misdeeds of a few....The FED REC process in it's current form needs to end.....

CW4(P) (Join to see) - I agree 100%. That was one of the first lessons I had in leadership as a young SPC. Don't mess with people's pay and promotions...it absolutely destroys morale and turns good Soldiers into bitter Soldiers. Apparently that lesson missed those of the Fed Rec process. The only good thing for me is that my ADOS orders have ended, so I am no longer doing the job of an O3 full time for the pay of an O2.

At 200+ days...what's 50 more? Go on ahead, stick that knife a little deeper in our backs, then throw us under that Big Green Bus...ya know what, I need to stop...I am way too angry right now to be posting anything further.

Totally agree. And the NG wonders why they lose good officers to the reserves....

Awaiting Dir of Army Staff Appr; U06-17; 263 Days in DoD Approval cycle

CW2 (Join to see) - That's a shame. I'm sorry, Chief.

Comparatively, U06-17 is beyond the stage of dead horse, because its fossilized remains can be traced back to the Mesozoic Era when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. It is therefore likely that the fuel in my truck were as a result of the oil extracted from U06-17's fossils.

175 days today. Just sitting here... waiting since last October. Might as well get going on my packet for CPT. How many days is U06-17 at?

was regular army got forced out in 92 went to the gard and found getting promoted in the gard is a real tasks ,

I think for many of us, the 10+ years is an adequate timeline for our scrolls to make it through the FedRec process.

P08-17 is still waiting. I know P03,4,5,6, and 7 have published.

Just checked the G1 Gateway. There is movement...it is now "Awaiting Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs appr; P08-17; 183 Days in DoD Approval cycle."

Interesting...

1LT (Join to see) - Indeed, this should be interesting because U06-17 has been in that same office for over 6-freaking weeks!!!!! As such, I would like to know if P08-17 leaps past our scroll. Hell, at this point, the scrolls ending in -18, -19, and -infinity will leap past U6-17.

CW3 (Join to see) - Today it is at 160 Days, I am at 268 Days since my State Order. I just left our State Rep who submits packets to NGB. According to DPRO it was kicked back by SecDef on the 28th of AUG and will have to be submitted once the issue which was caught is checked estimated 2 more months. This kind of reminds me of punishment of the masses for the mistakes of the few but that is just me I guess. Since Compo 1 and 2 do not have to go through this process I ask myself why are we not bringing our promotion processes in line with that of COMPO 1/2 so that COMPO 3 is not scrutinized and put through this process. I know the back pay is a blessing for me and I cant imagine what agony will exist when I am waiting on CPT and further. I would probably be making waves if I was in your shoes Chief. All and all, I don't agree with this process one bit and never want to hear another individual tell me " Well, it is what it is sir. At least you get back pay." There are devastating 3rd and 4rth order effects that this process has on all Officers at all ranks. I've been mentored by enough Warrants to know that, and after 12 years of service come next month I can say this isn't right. I could go on but I think I am going to stop for now, less I get diagnosed for high blood pressure and hypertension at my next PHA.

MAJ (Join to see) - we received an update today!

CPT (Join to see) - Now let's see how long it takes to get through the last couple offices when there is also U06-17 sitting as a backlog.

I see fedrec happening after the new year

State orders Dec 2016? Sweet jesus

Yes Sir, and when I talked to Renea she had no info. She said wants it starts the scroll she can no longer track it and that is taken 6-9 months once it shows up as a scroll; which U06-17 didn't show up until 2Mar17. So maybe by fall 2018.....

I got my state orders 27 June, and it showed up with a scroll two weeks later. Then September 1 I get an update that it is at 32 days and at JAG. I didn't expect to be a day 1 for another couple months so they have made a huge leap forward it terms of efficiency since they reduced the number of personnel on a scroll.

Is there anyone we can complaint or get more information?

MAJ (Join to see) - I'm 08-17, I have not heard anything. My unit won't request an update, I'm too scared to email anyone at NGB...so I just wait in misery.

We're up to day 253 and still no movement. This is getting impressive.

I could be wrong, but I don't think a scroll has been approved since August 2017...

276 days!

MAJ (Join to see) - so probably another three months. LOL

Talking to Ms. Marshall the FEDREC section chief, of course she did not give a timeline or any valuable information of when P08-17 would be signed but she did confirm that the scroll was at OSD and pending signature....Just hoping it is signed before I redeploy, smh. Would hate to go an entire deployment waiting on a promotion.

1LT (Join to see) - its been there for over a freakin month.

I am showing that P08-17 finally published in my G1 portal screen. Can anyone confirm?

All officers (NG, Reserves, Active) are federally recognized officers sir.

Really? Thanks for clearing that up for me.

MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, that is why its easier for officers to move between active, reserves, and NG. You may have heard of "state orders" being cut for officer promotions. This is just the initial process before NGB starts the FEDREC.