Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?

My wife is in the Reserves. It totally explains why the people from her unit were like, "Give us a call when you want to pick up MAJ."

Unfortunately, there are no Special Forces reserve units because they were deactivated in the early 1990s. As such, we have no choice but to be in the ARNG, which, by the way, has very few 180As (SF Warrant officers).

CW3 (Join to see) - That's the thing that gives me the greatest pause. I am not an 18 series (I'm a PA,) but I love being with 19th Group. This has been some of the most challenging and rewarding work of my career so far, and I want to stay as long as I can on one hand. On the other, I want to do this Army thing as long as the Army will let me, so that career progression is awful important too.

I did, except this time I wrote it all with one crayon. Its down to the nub now.

Well we aren't far from it.........
Awaiting Dir of Army Staff Appr; U06-17; 281 Days in DoD Approval cycle

See my reply above from 4 days ago, but I think it may be at OSD. Do not hold me to that, although it was information I learned after calling Renee Marshal's phone number. Instead, I spoke to another lady and when I gave her our scroll, she quickly replied it was sitting at SecDef. I would call back, but if they have caller ID, they may have already blocked my number. Perhaps I should call from a different number and when they ask my first and last name, I will reply with, "First name, Chief, last name, Warrant Officer."

Awaiting Dir of Army Staff Appr; U06-17; 293 Days in DoD Approval cycle

Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval; D08-17; 260 Days in DoD Approval cycle

CW3 (Join to see) - That scroll has been at SECDEF now for almost 2 months...

CW3 (Join to see) - Yeah I know, I really hope it publishes before the end of the year.

anyone have any updates with U10-17?

I read on one of these threads that the average “days scrolling” was 209 for P01 thru 07. At this points it’s a joke. There is no excuse at all.

I was a good sport about it for the first 120 days, but this is ridiculous. This type of thing doesn't happen with promotions in the civilian world.

It’s absurd. I was thinking today, how if you had a prior service person who is commissioned and is waiting on this for a retirement “high three” and how much it would screw them; pending their timeline!

I'm AGR and have 3 years, 9 months until I hit 20 years of active federal service. I'm still undecided if I'm going to retire at 20 AFS, but hopefully, it doesn't take another 9 months.

I am in U10-17, 210 days on the scroll....what is CW3 Poppy's email address?

Travis, we have 3 guys on your scroll in our unit. One of them is working wth Congresswoman Mia Loves office about your particular scroll. If he gets any substantive updates from them I'll post it here.

CW3 (Join to see) - I am in Mia Love's district too, on P08-17. Here is the final reply that I got:

Additionally, the District Director that I was corresponding with said that although he agrees that a year to process promotions is excessive, that unless the service has a recurring problem that cannot or is not being resolved internally, they are typically hands off. However, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so the more people make this known, the greater the chance that there is meaningful change.

That is, however, I found the real one lying around the hidden archives at the Pentagon, sort of like that last scene in Indiana Jones and The Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yep, "We have our top men on it, our TOP men!"

I'm dead, Chief...HAHAHA

I don't envy Renee Marshall's position. She probably has no real control over what is happening, but is the POC for the FED REC system and is probably catching tremendous amounts of heat from it. It is great that people are having meetings and such, but action would be my preference. The meetings don't seem to be making a difference, as things are getting worse for those of us on the unfortunate older scrolls, and now the G1 trackers aren't even counting days. This process is slowly driving me insane. I have simply started referring to myself as "The Terminal LT" whenever someone asks when I am going to be promoted.

You are correct inasmuch as it seems in the government sector the GSs have meetings purely to have meetings, during which they plan for follow-on meetings to discuss what happened in the previous meeting, then they plan again for another future meeting. It is, indeed, a cyclic endeavor. And then there are the GSs who remind me of Milton Waddams from Office Space, the kind of folks who are there because, well, they just are, although we have no clue what it is they do. Nor do they have a clue; they simply show up to occupy that void in the aether. They even chime in on the meetings to agree or disagree on the topic, depending on which way the scale tips, answering with, "Whatever you are thinking I am positive it is correct." Or, they throw out a bunch of disjointed facts until one of them has some semblance of relevance to the topic, sort of like throwing a handful of darts with the hopes that one of them will hit the dart board. Yes, what I have just described is what occurs in the inner sanctum of the esteemed FedRec process, one in which all of us entrusted these Milton Waddams to walk our packets through this Rube Goldberg-like process.

Haha oh the insanity!

Now that we are entering the holiday season, I expect this process will come to a standstill. Hell, if these FedWreckers can’t complete this process on a regular work week (ha, that’s a relative term), then how can we expect them to accomplish this through November and December?

Yep we are moving! At least day wise, weve been at JAG for at least 50 days.

Get ready for a longgggg wait. P08-17 here and still waiting.

U11-17 still in JAG at 121 days 26 Oct 17.

P08-17 was in JAG from day 94 until day 183

Same here for 13-17. 83 days at JAG

seems like the count has started again and is up to date.
P05-17 published in 201 and that was a quick scroll. P09-17 was on track for that date up till this Asst Sec Army, Man, Res Affairs office got involved...

P01-18 hasn't had any movement since being moved from P16-17 in October. 90 zero days since that move and no other updates since my State order in August which is now over 5 months.. Over 190 days of zero day..

MAJ (Join to see) - I am approaching 365 days, if that makes you feel better. Hopefully they figure this mess out

I wouldn't be too caught up with the time lost. Especially as a CPT and below. Might actually turn out to be a blessing later. However this wait was ridiculous. Way too long.

Well as a prior enlisted who already has 20 years in, the lost time from when I took the CPT slot back on 10/1/2015 to almost two years later finally getting promoted is a killer in me wanting to retire as a MAJ. I had some thoughts of going for LTC but that is all but done now. And the two years of not getting promoted has put me behind some of my peers that got promoted by the mandatory boards. And that doesn't include the $3-5K that I lost in pay over the two years.

It makes no sense that as soon as you are assigned the position and are eligible for promotion that they don't make that your DOR and back pay you to that date. If you went through mandatory boards that would be the case. Somehow we get punished for being ahead of our peers. How is that fair?

What other job do you start a new position and not get paid the rate for the position.

So I thought I would actually figure out exactly how much money I lost. I had 128 drill periods in my current slot with a $47.41 pay difference for a total of $6068.48

Ouch. I don't think it would bother me so much if our Time in Grade and Pay were backdated to our state's promotion date. So far I have *only* lost ~$4,000 since I have been ADOS since May.

CPT(P) (Join to see) - When I went through AG school I was told a scroll was comprised of 1000 names. I have never heard anything less.

Just a note about the submission for the correction on date of rate, if needed. I found this while perusing the ABCMR guidebook. "Members of the Army National Guard applying to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR). Many Army National Guard regulations require the members of the Army National Guard to apply first to their State Adjutant General and then to the National Guard Bureau for correction of records. If after exhausting these resources, a member of the Army National Guard still feels that there is error or injustice in their record, they can apply to the ABCMR. They should include with their application a copy any communication they have had with their State Adjutant General or the National Guard Bureau concerning the requested correction."

This issue should be big enough for the TAGs to bring up to NGB.

Are you sure, P07-17 was published a month ago.
I am in P08-17 still waiting in JAG, so much for talking care of guard soldiers

Yes, DOR is 24 or 27 July.

CPT (Join to see) - Sir, I agree. I've literally already had 4 or 5 LT friends send up packets for transfer to the reserves, just to escape the fed rec process.

CPT (Join to see) - You make good points, but as alluded to earlier, a process that seems indifferent to Soldiers and their careers will push talent elsewhere. I'm ADOS now, and the FED REC process is costing me over $1,000 per month that it drags on. With no TIG/Back Pay it is incredibly frustrating. Multiply that times 3 or 4 over the span of a Guard career, and potentially that could rob someone of an entire grade. It just doesn't make sense that routine low to mid level promotions need/have to be such a source of anger and heartache. I don't know what it'll take to change the process, but if none of us make our concerns known, the only known is that nothing will change.

I've brought this up to my BN and they have agreed that they should put the promotable Soldier in a para/lin of the next grade prior to taking their actual position. This would allow the Soldiers packet to start the process earlier and hopefully receive their FEDREC sooner. For example; If I am chosen to take command in 6 months from now, I am moved to a vacant O3 billet so the state can start the promotion order and submit to NGB. At least this way you would only be waiting a couple months for your FEDREC instead of 8+. I know everyone's FEDREC process time isn't the same length, but it would help for sure. THAT is taking care of Soldiers.

1LT Philroy Hinds - Also, if you drop dead while you are in the ridiculous FedRec quagmire, you are listed on the State Militia rolls at the rank the state promoted you to.

Updated this morning, "Awaiting Selection for Publication of Order"

CH (2LT) (Join to see) - I saw a scroll from last year spend about 17 days on this step. Hoping ours is here for 2 days max.

Scroll P03-17 sat at JAG for 150+ days with the only explanation coming second hand from individuals calling NGB for updates.

Thank you. It is amazing, however, that out of all of the INTs, RUMINT is the most reliable intelligence.

Has anyone contacted NGB about this scroll? If not, I will we calling this week. Does anyone have CW3 Poppy's contact information? Thanks

CW4(P) (Join to see) - Did you ever call? I'm too afraid to. 253 days for my scroll.....

I have reached out to NGB several times, I have not been to talk to anyone yet. I did receive a email that my Congressional inquiry is being researched.

Finally, U10-17 is published!

I'm not sure if it is entirely correct. I believe it's case-by-case and state will only go back a few months for backpay. Remember, it's state money, not federal money.

1LT (Join to see) - I have a few LT buddies who didn't get back paid all the way to state orders, though generally those were the guys who had to wait a super long time because of weird issues with their scrolls. When I commissioned, NY took forever to federally recognize me as a 2LT, so I went to AT and got paid as an E5, and they didn't even back pay me for all of that, so I have my doubts that I'll receive back pay all the way to November '16. It would be nice though, having been ADOS for most of the wait.

2LT(P) (Verify To See) - If you are ADOS, depending on your agency, they most likely have budgeted in your promotion- so you should see that pot of money come to you eventually... For M-Day, it does come out of State funds so most likely won't see the entire load drop.
I know for Counter Drug in the Guard they had to budget my promotion in and almost cancel my orders because I was expensive all of a sudden but it worked out :-)

That makes sense. I caught a glance of the cost estimate, and I was wondering why I cost my unit over 80000 for a relatively short period of time.

2LT (Join to see) - L02 did something like 100 days there on the tracker

I'm on L03-17 and as of today, 106 days in and just moved off the JAG step.

Im in L03-17 mine is froze at Sec Def at 140 Days has anyone else received their Fed Req from this group

150 days at sec of def... I have orders for promotion may 2016

Outstanding. Looking back at my notes this is day 312 of my packet hitting the NGB level for acceptance. It's hard to stay optimistic. Really thought it would be this week.

Now that we are in mid-May, I certainly wouldn't expect anything until June based on the approach of Memorial Day.

Someone said that they were informed that the Scroll had been signed, but not returned to the NGB. How certain was that particular source that anything had actually been signed?

I went back through the posts, and someone indicated 16 days ago that they spoke with a SFC Palmer at NGB who indicated the scroll was signed by the SECDEF on May 2nd. Certainly do not have any proof or confirmation, so for what it is worth.