Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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U12-18 Promoted effective JAN 9, 2019
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I feel like I'm playing Craps...COME ON LET'S SEE A PL14-18!
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Just checked iPerms on a whim...PL14-18 orders dated for same date!
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I’m confused. I thought we were waiting for FedRec. I have orders dated 9JAN2019, but are signed by NGB (GEN Lengyel). Am I still waiting on Federal orders to be promoted or is this all it is?
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It is crazy town...
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Is anyone else on scroll D11-18? Also is there any recent information on how long it is sitting at each stage? Currently at the SECDEF day 151 and am wondering how long people normally sit at that level.
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Also on the same scroll, from what I understand is SECDEF is typically around two weeks... however we are working against the holiday season so who knows. At least we are finally on the last step. I'm hoping we get it before the Christmas break but who really knows with all of this.
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A fellow W01 now W2 says his took 4 days, so here is hoping, but before Christmas would be a nice present.
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How long does SecDef take? I'm on P12-18 and have been patiently waiting for orders to publish.
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Hopefully it wasn’t on a deployment. I came on orders 2 months early to help with the mobilization. I got my Federal Recognition and was (pinned) in July of 2007 but the effective date was April of 2007 so I was on active duty that whole time so the back pay was around $3000. The IRS considered it a bonus and kept almost $1500 of it even though it wasn’t a bonus
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Anyone on Scroll U(d)07-18? Haven't heard anything about the status in a while.
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U10-18 seems to have been at JAG for a while now. Anyone know the average time for JAG on the Warrant promotion packets?
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I don't know the trend for WO scrolls specifically, but I don't think there is a difference in that step. For P10-18, we were at JAG for 82 days. That's a little longer than the recent average, but it's not anywhere near the longest in the last year or so. We are stuck at DMPM now.

Seems like there has been no movement since the article published saying that they are doing a great job fixing the delays. I figured that might happen. We are also fast approaching the time of year where long projects naturally stall. Anyone with a scroll that doesn't publish before Thanksgiving will likely experience additional delays through mid January. I am not the expert, but I would infer this to be more true than not based on personal experience and absolutely no research to back it up.
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From what I am told. at the JAG process that is where the do a background check and look for legal issues that would hinder a promotion. I imagine it being a couple of E-4's scanning packets and throwing the good in one pile and needs reviewed in another pile. If anyone on your scroll needs reviewed for whatever reason the process can hang there. However, I am on scroll D11-18 and it was at JAG for a while, I took a break from checking the status to relieve my depression and two weeks later I was at SECDEF.
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Is just an Army issue? I never had a problem other than the longer time in grade requirements with promotions. If you were in a slot for the grade and had all other prerequisites met boom! Promoted. That is my experience from the GA ANG.
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Are we able to vote a comment down? This is the complaint department. The "Boom, Promoted" department is in another thread. Kidding of course. This is unique to the ARNG. We don't get to submit the promotion package until you are in a position that allows that rank. So by design, you are expected to perform the duties of the next grade until the Federal Recognition process is complete. Lately, the process from start to finish has taken as little as 6 months, but it was not unheard of to wait over a year. This includes O6 and above. Our Army Component Commander in AZ waited almost a year to pin his star for the same reason.
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Going through the same thing brother. Me and several others. Not to mention pay is messed up bonuses lost. All kinds of stuff. I honestly believe it lies at HRC.
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Congratulations U06-18! U04-18, L03-18, and L02-18 need to chime-in to update us on their status.

Usually all the scrolls at SecDef are signed at the same time. If that's the case, P10-18 would become the oldest scroll at 143. If L03-18 published, it would really help bring the average scroll time down with only 114 days on scroll.

The system is not perfect yet, but since I've been tracking over the last 6 months, the process has gotten significantly better. I hope the people in DC that are assigned the project of improving the process don't read this and think they are done. We are far from done.

I have almost completed a whole NG deployment in an O3 slot. I'm missing $42 per day and performing a BDE Primary Staff position as an O2. The latter makes it difficult to interact with staff in my subordinate BNs as they outrank me.
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L02-18 and L03-18 still at OSD. I've been deployed for the entirety of my time on the scroll. After the input from CW5 Bruce B., I am guessing that L02 and L03 will publish mid-late OCT.
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I'm on U04-18 been 225 and sitting at the SECDEF nothing has moved so i think technically we are the longest on the scroll.
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Any idea how long it takes to go from published to seeing orders in IPERMS?
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should be immediate (1 day or less). Mine did. I believe NGB puts them in IPERMS, but your state has to update SIDPERS, etc...
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My opinion....big Army slowing the process.
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12-18 updated today and for the first time is showing an actual status of "Awaiting Off Dep Ch of Staff Personnel". Anybody know if that's what the process calls DCS, G1?
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MAJ Communications Officer (S6)
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I wouldn't worry about tracking anything before your scroll gets to JAG. There are a few departments that never show up on the tracker. 10-18 hit JAG at 10 days on scroll. That was 36 days after the tracker first stated "Awaiting Scroll".
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No, this is the DMPM.
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MAJ Infantry Officer
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I'm on P12-18 as well. Status went from "Awaiting Off DEP CH of Staff Personnel" to "Awaiting Off of Judge Advocate General". This happened for the entire scroll... Any idea why it would go backwards? It's currently at 38 days.
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P12-18 is at SECDEF - 105 Days
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Where is P07-18? Anyone know if its signed?
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Super irritated by this!! Ours should have moved with 06-18
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Hallelujah! P07-18 published, effective date of 06AUG.
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1LT (Join to see) - have you been into IPERMs to see the DOR?
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Nothing in iPerms when I checked an hour ago.
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Any Tuesday update? I haven't been able to check yet this week.
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06-18 is now over 180 days and has been at OSD for over a month. When the published order comes out, as it did for the previous two scrolls, the effective date was nearly the beginning of the month.
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Has anyone else experienced the Career Site being down since yesterday?
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MAJ (Join to see) - I certainly hope this is the case. Been at the SECDEF for over 30 days now.
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Still looks like 07-18 is at SECDEF, but I don't remember what we were at for days on the counter last week so I can't tell if it's updated or not.
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07-18 has been at SECDEF for about a month now. Hopefully we’ll get it at the end of the month next week.
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I want to say it will start moving but I have little faith we will see it before the end of August. Sadly the OSD is only supposed to take 21 days. Average at his level has been around 45 days.
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D16-17 Published!! Congrats to everyone else on the scroll!
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1LT Aviation Combined Arms Operations
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Congrats!!! Hope this means some other scrolls have been published.
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Thank you! Me too, best of luck I hope you don't have to wait as long as I did, 290 days.
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CW2 (Join to see) - Yes but W01 to CW2 is back paid so its not a big deal to wait.
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No its not a big deal for me on this one, I do feel for everyone that wont get their promotions back dated. I am fortunate that the BN I am in doesn't care whether I have one or two dots, however some do. I am sure its the same for 2LT to 1LT and a 1LT words will carry more weight. I assume the this is the reason W1-W2 and O1-O2 take longer, there isn't a rush because they are back dated. Best of luck to you and I really hope they get this process streamlined.
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Anyone tracking P10-18?
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You may want to message (or wait for a new update from) newly promoted CW5 Bruce B. He seems to be the golden source for tracking updates to promotion scrolls.
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P08-18 is at the Army G1 at 95 days on the tracker. Last I saw, P10-18 was less than a month behind P08. My best estimate watching the other scrolls is about mid-august for P8 so I would assume P10 would be early September, but those are all guesstimates.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but there is back pay from the DOR on FedRec for 1LT and up?
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Yes.
Official DOR is (usually) set at the date OSD gives final approval for promotions to CPT and CW3 (and higher). Back pay to that date is paid.
For promotions to 1LT and CW2, DOR is usually the date eligible (mostly, TIG and PME requirements met) and back pay is paid.
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Sad to see P09-18 still stuck in the mud not moving anywhere. I had hope we were moving quick but now Dir Ch of Staff Pers has us trapped!
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Keep the faith......P07-18 was stuck there for 35 days. We just moved to SECDEF.
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