Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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Scroll update as of Today, 9 February 2018. Red highlighted scrolls are new or recently moved.
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It could we be worse...we could be on scroll L03-15. Seriously, over a thousand days???
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LTC (Join to see) - I am pretty sure that is a completed scroll. If its not, then there was clearly major flags on it. But I have not seen that scroll on DPRO, so I am gonna say its published. From what I can see, D08-17 is currently the longest scroll being processed.
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Brad is correct. I didnt do a good job of cleaning up my post. After checking, the report actually says "Final approval of scroll" in the comments. Sometimes things dont get dropped. Unfortunately, I had a CW2 pass away while awaiting promotion and he STILL shows up as awaiting assignment to scroll.... n Its kinda sick humor, but there is one person who passed on waiting for Fed Rec.... I feel I can say that because he would have agreed with it! :-)
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Thanks for posting, where can this tracker be found?
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Latest update sent out as of 1 Feb. Probably not much news here...
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Took U11 from day 77 to day 221 to get out of JAG. This makes me sad. I just picked up an AGR position at my state. This is taking on a whole new level of importance for me.
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Where do you get the status of all these scrolls?
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P08-17 has finally been published.. Published: SO# 31; 2018-02-01
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Congratulations to all those on P08-17!
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I'm on P11-17... How many days were you at when it published?
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1LT (Join to see) - We were at ~283 days on scroll
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Why do I keep checking this thing, like something's going to change? At this point I am just torturing myself. Of course nothing's changed, you don't get to ~270 days scrolling by actually displaying progress. My maximum TIG is approaching.... I am The Terminal LT!
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I'm on D08-17, and my state orders will be a year old on January 26. D08-17 will be breaking the 300 day mark this weekend.
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You commissioned May 15 as a 1LT how are you at your max TIG? You are not eligible to compete in the RC CPT AMEDD PSB this year which has a zone of consideration of 31 Aug 14 or earlier. This process is absolutely broken and needs fixed but it is a UVP and you are years ahead of your peers who did not get selected for UVP.
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I commissioned in 2015, but also received constructive credit after commissioning, pushing my effective DOR back a year to 7 July 2014, putting me in that zone. Max TIG is 5 years, correct? I am at nearly 4 years TIG now....given the pace of this process, I may run out of time with *only* a year or so left to sit in the Fed Rec before I hit max TIG. I was being sarcastic...I hope...... but given what I have seen so far, it is plausible
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CPT (Join to see) - I'll join you in spirit. My state order is dated 15 Feb 2017 too :/
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Edited 8 y ago
U06-17, D08-17, and P08-17, are now three of the longest running promotion scrolls being processed in a while (and others are also catching up). Its funny, I still remember my commander saying that the fedrec process was averaging less than a 180 days when this process started, but I believe these scrolls are over 300 days now with D08-17 alone being at SECDEF for over three months (supposedly the last step in the process)... And still no one has provided the reason why this happening all of sudden. I understand if there is extra vetting now which would hold it up at a particular step in the process, or if a particular scroll has derogatory information for a particular officer that needs to be addressed. However, for all scrolls being held up at every single step makes no sense to anyone. And now many are at OSD, which is supposedly a relatively quick/final step (I have heard less than 30 days), so what is the hold up still?

On that note, when was the last promotion scroll signed? Something like six months ago? So no ARNG officers have had a federal promotion in that time? I am actually surprised there are not more letters to congress.
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well, P09-17 published. They forgot about P08-17.
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CPT (Join to see) - Are you sure it wasn't U09-17 that published?
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CPT (Join to see) - Rgr ma'am. That is actually good news, because it means the scrolls are all moving even beyond the information I received on Friday.
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I have a suspicion, that our Secretary of Defense is unaware that there are literally thousands of National Guard Officers whose promotions are currently waiting on his approval. James Mattis does not strike me as the kind of leader that would be pleased with that. I would hate to be the one that hands him those scrolls with all the names and numbers of those of us stuck in Purgatory when he asks, "What is the story behind these?"
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Or, they will find the new employee and say, “Hey, do you want to make great impression to the SECDEF? Here, take these scrolls to him and answer any questions he may have. There might be two or three questions, but no big deal”
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CPT (Join to see) - Seems like your assessment is correct, based on the RUMINT we have been hearing, that L03-17 was signed Friday, 5 Jan 2018 and U06-17 was signed Tuesday, 9 Jan 2018.
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Any update for P08-17
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CPT (Join to see) - We will most likely be the last to know! I hope I could just log in and see it complete but I have zero confidence in this now
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Edited 8 y ago
Article posted today from NGAUS. Also contains a link for you to tell your FED REC story. One Officer was on a scroll for over 2,000 days.... I would have lost my marbles.

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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The following article appeared today on the NGAUS website. About 2/3 down the article is a link to complete a survey regarding the Fedrec process for anyone who has been through in the last five years.

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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Beat me to it, haha
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Congrats to my fellow FedWreckers (Thanks Chief,) of P08-17 and P09-17! We have joined the miserable legions of The Forgotten in wallowing on a scroll for over 200 days. I'm going to go home and yell into a beer in your honor.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I need to see what retirement will be as a 1LT
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CPT (Join to see) - NGAUS wants to hear our stories. https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/survey-guardsmen-wait-years-promotions?utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term= [login to see] &utm_content=November%2020%2C%202017%20%28WR%29&utm_campaign=Guard%20Officers%3A%20Long%20Wait%20for%20Promotions
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217 days. I could scream.
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CPT (Join to see) - Still a story, and I share your sentiment.
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Edited 8 y ago
This FedRec process is similar to those moving walkways in the airport, except for many of us waiting on our respective scrolls it seems like we are walking in the opposite direction. That is, it takes extra effort just to maintain continuous momentum to go forward, then once we stop moving (e.g. the JAG office reviewing the scroll) the walkway sends us backwards, almost to the point where we started. Yet we struggle to get to that exact point where we stopped, and then continue with that struggle to move past that point (e.g. JAG or Asst Sec Army) to try and reach the end. Along the way, however, and because we are exhausted, we stop, only for the walkway to send us backwards again, past that first stopping point and almost to the beginning--again. The cycle continues almost interminably, sort of like Sisyphus rolling the proverbial boulder uphill, thus condemning all of us to the eternal FedRec process. As an added measure, every night I go to sleep by placing one coin on top of each eye, for I fear that U06-17 is dead. I am, therefore, prepared to pay Charon to ferry me across the river Styx to meet my fate at the hands of Hades, the holder of the scroll in the deepest bowels of FedRec hell.

Okay, admittedly my mind went off track on this posting; I have no idea how I envisioned this silly analogy.
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Wow.
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I swear that I passed my MMPIs.....all of them, although there were a lot of residue from the erasure marks. I think there should be an option for 'Maybe' or "It Depends ' rather than being forced to answer Yes or No.
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Day 239...P03-17 is at Sec Def finally.
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U02-17 Published: SO# 82; 2017-04-20, so for my prospective I was on top of getting my promotion as I'm not a young Soldier and in a time crunch. My packet went to State 120 days out 28 Jun 16, I had my FED REC board in July sometime, my packet went to NGB on 1 Aug 16, Waiting assignment to the scrolls on 5 Sep 16, and waiting acceptance to the scrolls on 18 Sep 16. My State promotion was cut 28 Oct 16, DOR +5 years, and started tracking days on 10 Nov 16. 162 days scroll days and 298 total days later I have just received my 12th and last promotion for my long military career. Would any of this helped in the last administration? Don't know. All I can share is stay on top of your career, nobody takes care of you better than you.
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Come on P02-17! Woohoo! ... Day 167... (hasn't updated yet), but I as well am on this scroll and on title 10. (My CDR keeps saying September 1st, but I have a more optimistic view, like any day now).
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I wouldn't get too excited. Based on the experience of previous groups, we could still be looking at a couple months more of waiting.
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166 days on the scroll is still fast compared to the other scrolls. I am sitting at 35 days on the scroll with 90 days from state to it finally starting to count.
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Here is an update from NGAUS on the long FEDREC process (although there is not a resolution)...

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/hurry-wait-0
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I actually had almost the exact same experience for my 2LT to 1LT. It took 7 months after I received my State orders before I was put on a scroll, but they spelled my name wrong (or messed up something?) so I was moved to the next scroll 3 months later. It's now been 13 months and I've finally hit 122 days in the DoD Approval Cycle and it finally turned red. My peers received their promotion within 2 weeks of that so hopefully you're not too far away!
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Thanks for posting your experience! It looks like we are on the same scroll. As you may have noticed, some other people on this thread have indicated that they saw orders were published around 140 days, which is consistent with what you said. Also, I don't know for sure, but logical thought would suggest that, once you make it this far there are probably not going to be any more setbacks for the scroll because something is messed up in somebodys packet.

So, that being said, we're almost there! Go get a uniform switched over if you haven't already!
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New Update: As expected, my scroll went over 120 days in cycle and the status bar turned to red. As we've seen before, that seems to be the max time these things are supposed to be in the process.
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My husband is on scroll P01-17 which as of 1/18/17 is at "98 days/OTJAG." Selected for promotion by the State in February 2016, working in slot since 6/1/16, packet at NGB since around 6/20/16. It's hard for him to break from his civilian job to check on this so I talked to Ms. Renee Marshall in the NGB Fed Rec office today (her number can be found on GKO). She explained that even though the Gateway tracker "should" be updated every 2 weeks, prior to 1/13/17, her office had not received an update since November! So....even though it appears that the scroll just moved to the JAG office this week, it could have already been there since November/December. She said the average time at the JAG office ranges from 45-60 days and is the longest stop in the process. She also stated that there is a possibility that the scroll could have moved out of the JAG office in the last couple of days but we won't know that until the next update gets posted. Overall, she said the process usually takes 6-9 months from the time the packet is received at NGB, so "hopefully" this will be finished by March. I know this is a very frustrating process, but I hope this info helps. Good luck and congratulations to all on their promotions!
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Thanks for the comment. I'm on that same scroll so I'm glad you posted what she told you. I sent her an email but never received a reply. Like your husband, I don't have much time to call so I figured that would be a good way to get an in-depth response. I guess maybe she doesn't check her email that often...

Did she happen to give you average time ranges for the other offices the scrolls move through? If we can post that info here, people can get a rough idea on when they can expect orders, no matter where they are in the process. That's been my main goal with this thread.
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Honestly it seems like there are no "hard & fast rules". Mrs. Marshall gave me a publication date for my orders of "by the end of March" and my state OPM told me that around 120ish days I should see them in IPERMS. This whole process has really made me think twice about extending with the guard in 2 years.....no other branch as to put up with this nonsense.
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FYSA: I spoke with a woman by the name of Renne Marshall who is the "SME" on the FED REC / Packet status at NGB. Her phone# is [login to see] ....she was extremely helpful & gave me a realistic time frame for when my scroll would be published. I recommend giving her a call if your wondering where the heck your scroll is at!
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - As you can see on one of my other posts here, it took my scroll 6 months to start the counter. I'd say you still have a while to go.
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MAJ(P) (Join to see) - I've been on the down wind side of a lot of bad smelling Army processes, but I'm down right taken aback by the length of time this process takes. How is it that NGB hasn't pushed out guidance on this issue to unit level reps on how to expedite or at least get ahead of this process? I suppose now its just a waiting game.
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1LT(P) Jaime Felix - Sometimes scrolls get held back if there is any adverse information / action on any of the officers background checks. Holds the whole thing up until those folks are dropped off the list. Its a incredibly inefficient system
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orders posted in IPERMS yesterday 28 Aug 17 for P06-17, effective date of promotion 9 Aug 17
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Its been a week since our last update. Hopefully they push out something by the end of the day
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Agreed! I'm at 138 days in the process... P 11-19
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1LT (Join to see) - I'm on the same scroll.... hoping something pops up in Iperms this week
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because the packets go into an in box on someone's desk at G1 and they sit there until they have a certain number (50 is what I've been told) to process so they can do them in bulk instead of one at a time as they come in.
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I figured that was the case sir. Wish G1 would come out and just explain that was the case as opposed to people thinking their packets disappeared into a black hole.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I got my state orders for CPT in June and it was middle of September before I got FedRec. Guy in my current unit got selected for LTC last year. Board met Jan, List came out in June, he didn't get his promotion orders until December.
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LTC (Join to see) - It's insanity sir. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to this process.
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I just checked and 7 JUN list is the most up to date
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Update for those of us on U01-19. Orders have been published; check iPerms. I can't speak for the rest but I can confirm that this particular scroll is completed.

Published: SO# 89; 2019-03-28

My DOR is 07MAR19.
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Congratulations! Was your DOR backdated any?
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CW5 (Join to see) It was. This didn't show as FedRec complete until 28MAR19 but DOR was set back to the 7th. A few weeks of extra TIG was a pleasant surprise.
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Update as of yesterday:
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Any new updates
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Yes. sorry. Will post above.
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