Posted on Mar 21, 2019
Why would a Chain of Command be against helmet mounted GoPro cameras?
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Hopefully there is a CSM or LTC or above that can help answer this question, I would love some assistance understanding this. Why would a Chain of Command be against helmet mounted GoPro cameras? I asked mine if it was okay to use one during our upcoming PLFX and Company LFX during daylight hours. The intent is for AAR purposes, like football game film. I was told no. I know it isn't because how we train is classified, our manuals can be found and accessed all over the internet....
Is it CYA? Are they scared of Army WTF moments on Facebook? Is it some off the wall liability issue? There is nothing in the division standards on Gopros, so what's the problem?
Is it CYA? Are they scared of Army WTF moments on Facebook? Is it some off the wall liability issue? There is nothing in the division standards on Gopros, so what's the problem?
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The CG or COG brief the team on the mission and and the highlights of the upcoming rotation. Every OC team then reserves the Vultures to film on specific training days to capture the CGs vision. It then gets edited, add some music and then it’s ready for MidRo AAR or Final. LTC Jason Mackay
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I understand the issue now. I’d get with the S3 and simply explain the task/purpose of the GoPro in your AAR. I’d go as far as making an AAR packet with video from the GoPro so the CoC can visualize your intent. SFC (Join to see)
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I was 3 times as a guest, and very open to be one fully on I have KD'd. I am not one currently, but that is where I discovered the value of filming training.
I was 3 times as a guest, and very open to be one fully on I have KD'd. I am not one currently, but that is where I discovered the value of filming training.
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From a command perspective, mostly just too much of a liability. If someone is injured or there is an accident we already have procedures in place to investigate but the last thing a command needs is that footage of the mishap leading to a potential break in the notification process of a casualty. As far as your tactics statement yes true our manuals are online readily accessable, but our adptive style as a military leaves some TTP's still unavailable unless present and participating in training, for the most part anyway. Just my 2 cents.
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I understand the importance of casualty reporting. Wouldn't the presence of the video speed up the 15-6?
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SFC (Join to see) It could potentially speed it up or hinder it based on footage captured, maybe it wasn't even captured and the IO wastes an hour watching footage he/she didn't even need to but had to because it was present?
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Like anything else that could possibly find its way into the public domain, releases of verbal or written statements, videos, etc. need to go through the Public Affairs Office (PAO). If everyone in the US Military decided to video events, and release footage (edited or not) at their own discretion, the PAO would be very busy putting out fires these servicemembers started. Just look at how certain unit commanders react when their troops put memos and pictures on US Army WTF Moments....
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It's mainly the army wtf moments a d something's that a unit may find that works isn't in the Manuel's , but you still don't want bad guys knowing what you can or would do. As far as who owns the footage? When you signed that paper you became Uncle Sam's property so they own you and everything about you. Sorry
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These do not belong in battle or training situations...PERIOD. If you want to record your physical stuff....do it on your own time.....not the military's. Serving in the military is not a social media/millenia person thing. This is the defense of our nation not gotcha moments...
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Let me begin by saying I am a leg. Now that I have surrendered my credibility
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CSM Richard StCyr
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NO GO with this CSM!
Personally I want Soldiers focused on their teammates, leadership, and mission not on a personal hero video. Secondly and most importantly are those personal videos are dangerous to SIGSEC AND OPSEC. My proof is to look at the Ukrainian War and how personal electronic communications (phone calls, social media posts) have led to effective targeting.
Personally I want Soldiers focused on their teammates, leadership, and mission not on a personal hero video. Secondly and most importantly are those personal videos are dangerous to SIGSEC AND OPSEC. My proof is to look at the Ukrainian War and how personal electronic communications (phone calls, social media posts) have led to effective targeting.
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Where in any FM or AR or DA PAM 670-1 are Go Pro's authorized accessories to be mounted on uniforms?
Can you guarantee that every GoPro will be turned off in the TOC? Or by the SIPR computers? Can you guarantee they won't "accidentally" make it into the latrines?
No reg authorizes them, and there's a world of liability issues for the Commander to eat... It's easy to call a Commander "scared" when you're not the one who'll be fired or scapegoated when things go wrong.
Can you guarantee that every GoPro will be turned off in the TOC? Or by the SIPR computers? Can you guarantee they won't "accidentally" make it into the latrines?
No reg authorizes them, and there's a world of liability issues for the Commander to eat... It's easy to call a Commander "scared" when you're not the one who'll be fired or scapegoated when things go wrong.
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