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Yes, I was in the Inactive IIR until May 2017. Let me start by saying I had a full career as a USG employee retiring as a GS-15, SES qualified leading a staff of interagency partners with several joint assignments in and with DoD leading several O-5s/O-6s. As a result, I was asked to return to the USAR as an O-2 which is where I was when I left in 1996. I was eligible for O-3 in 2000 but wasn’t considered as I was designated a a “Key USG Employee” and Inactive. My question is simple, I was always a top performer and recommended for company command in 1996 when I left for the IIR and still highly regarded by my current Commander. I’m in an O-3 position now but leading ad-hoc for my Commander in an O-5 capacity. The skill set I have from my USG career is unique and highly sought by my unit, hence is how I’m at SOCOM. My question is this, are my chances good to be promoted to O-3 despite my long stay in the Inactive IIR? I’ve been to IOBC, completed Phases 1 and 2 for my CCC, have two Masters degrees; an MBA and MS from the National War College. Thoughts; will I be promoted this Fall?
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I'm on the phone with the retired full bird colonel who did 30 years active duty. He said it would be really stupid for them not to keep you and not promote you with the experience you have and your academic qualification. Especially in today's u.s. military expansion required after Resurgence of Russia, China and Iran, what I'm saying is that people like you need to be brought back into the fold and promoted.
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Sir thank you very much!!! I truly appreciate your response. I think you can assume where I retired which is closely aligned with SOCOM. I’m still here as we are still at war and I want to serve. Molon Labe!!!
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If memory serves there's a way to restart your clock so to speak. I'd try to find a real HR professional like a senior NCO or Warrant Officer to help look up the regulations
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Sir, thanks much and look into doing just that. From what I’ve been told, I’ll be promoted every year as long as my military and civilian education are aligned. Additionally I’ve been told, mt date of eligibility (DOE) will reset as I’m promoted. So once I pin O-3, my DOE for O-4 will be in 2007 so I can submit my packet in March 2019 (my CCC will be completed in February 2019). Then set my DOE for O-5 to 2014 for submission of my packet in January 2020.
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LTC Stephen Conway
That is awesome! Please let us know on rallypoint every time you get promoted and explain what happened. This will be you! You will be like an f-104 Starfighter in the Cold War taking off with this V-1 buzz bomb like rocket assist!
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Did you ever get promoted CPT (Join to see)?? - You need to contact your Army Reserve Career Manager if you haven't done so yet- for your Branch & ask them that question. Every TPU Soldier has a career manager- Go to the https://hrc.army.mil & log into the site- click on the Officer Tab at the top, & then on Army Reserve Careers Division (ARCD). They should have someone there who can help you, perhaps you'll need to get your TIG adjusted so it doesn't present a problem for the board... just trying to think of ways to help.
Toll-Free: 1-888-ARMY-HRC (1-888-276-9472) DSN: 983-9500 AskHRC
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Since I served in the Marines and Army but was moved to IRR Am I a GySgt or SFC
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
hmm does it matter you would be paid the same as either if you come back to active duty in that role lol
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Did you end up getting promoted yet CPT (Join to see)? For the USAR, promotion to CPT is nearly 100% if you don't have any Bad OERs or DWI or other negative things in your file. The only thing might be that big break in service, but for CPT it should not matter I don't think.
We had a 1LT Promoted to CPT in one of my old units who had some serious issues that I won't get into, but he was a non-participant and still was promoted to CPT. The Command kind of went easy on him, so the promotion went through.
I would recommend looking up your Army Reserve Careers Division- Career Manager and calling them to see what else you can do to ensure promotion. They can help you adjust your date of rank if needed to ensure promotion. Every TPU Soldier has a Career Manager even if they've never talked with them. Use the following link & find your TPU Career Manager from the link below:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Army%20Reserve%20Officer%20Directory
We had a 1LT Promoted to CPT in one of my old units who had some serious issues that I won't get into, but he was a non-participant and still was promoted to CPT. The Command kind of went easy on him, so the promotion went through.
I would recommend looking up your Army Reserve Careers Division- Career Manager and calling them to see what else you can do to ensure promotion. They can help you adjust your date of rank if needed to ensure promotion. Every TPU Soldier has a Career Manager even if they've never talked with them. Use the following link & find your TPU Career Manager from the link below:
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Army%20Reserve%20Officer%20Directory
Toll-Free: 1-888-ARMY-HRC (1-888-276-9472) DSN: 983-9500 AskHRC
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Sir, thanks for the response. Let me start here, you were right when you suggested my length of time in the IIR would hold off my promotion as I needed to be participating in a unit for a year before promotion. In FY18 I had only been in the USAR for 10 months and therefore not eligible for promotion. As you’ve suggested, I’ve spoken to my career manager as well as scrubbed my IPERMS file and my last two OERs have been excellent. I believe I’ve done all I can do on my end but welcome any advice you care to give.
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Interesting question as this could affect my future too since I hope to commission eventually. Also would this mean I could go from E3 to E4 while in the IRR so long as I continue to meet standards?
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Agreed but in my case, “Key Employee” placed me in an inactive category under IRR. That’s why my DOE is June 2000. Admittedly SSG it is a rare status the put a “hold” on training, promotions etc... Trying to locate folks, regulations or whatever that can answer my questions. Be safe.
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Rgr, Sir.
That's been one of my pet peeves since becoming a UA so I try get correct it where I can.
In my experience, the only affect being in the IRR will have, even in an inactive status, is to you USAR retirement as you are not earning your required 50 points to get a good year.
All promotion consideration now is based off of your ARB (selfservice.RCMS). Ensure that it is up to date, that you have validated it, and that your HR has certified it. Once complete it will become SBRB and visible to whichever selection board is being held.
That's been one of my pet peeves since becoming a UA so I try get correct it where I can.
In my experience, the only affect being in the IRR will have, even in an inactive status, is to you USAR retirement as you are not earning your required 50 points to get a good year.
All promotion consideration now is based off of your ARB (selfservice.RCMS). Ensure that it is up to date, that you have validated it, and that your HR has certified it. Once complete it will become SBRB and visible to whichever selection board is being held.
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Sergeant thanks much. Let’s connect offline by email as there are several questions I have for you. A bit confused by your post as I was in the ARNG and nothing was online when I was in the ARNG. ARNG is quite different from the USAR, your expertise would be appreciated.
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Lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda here. I've seen rare cases it has been done and sat a number of boards. Promotion stuff would be found in the Secretary's precepts which stipulates how people get promoted. Pay close attention to IRR section. Boards (and commands for very junior level) follow that and the other relevant directives. In that paper are special procedures for which authority typically isn't delegated to the boards, but a package can be sent up to the Secretariat. Example was we had a German Shrink that naturalized. He was cutting edge at the time on what was later given the name PTSD. He was an instant O-6 for a few years and then shifted east to Bethesda/Walter Reed. Lost track of him by then. He never did figure that uniform thing out. There was a compelling reason to put him in in uniform for a while.
All that said is I'm leery of nonselect due to being a key anything. Either they followed the process and got that result, or screwed up and got that result. That excuse violates the many years of precepts I've seen. In my years of board an promotion experience, we had IRRs, but they had limited MIL track record, hence were noncompetitive. IRRs tended to camp out until they faded away. I also retired as a GS-15/7. I was "key senior GS" for a long time but that never interfered with my reserve promotions. That really didn't matter because the same Flag owned me both ways so it was a choice of being more effective in or out of uniform, or in most cases, legal. Don't be surprised if you see a lot of local heart and desire fading quickly as things get near the Beltway. Too many rabbit holes to take my knowledge deeper so I'll stop now.
All that said is I'm leery of nonselect due to being a key anything. Either they followed the process and got that result, or screwed up and got that result. That excuse violates the many years of precepts I've seen. In my years of board an promotion experience, we had IRRs, but they had limited MIL track record, hence were noncompetitive. IRRs tended to camp out until they faded away. I also retired as a GS-15/7. I was "key senior GS" for a long time but that never interfered with my reserve promotions. That really didn't matter because the same Flag owned me both ways so it was a choice of being more effective in or out of uniform, or in most cases, legal. Don't be surprised if you see a lot of local heart and desire fading quickly as things get near the Beltway. Too many rabbit holes to take my knowledge deeper so I'll stop now.
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Sir, thanks much. I had been considering the Secretariat route for numerous reasons. This just reinforces my thoughts on the subject. If there is a path you would recommend, I welcome your guidance, Sir!!!
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Sir, I hear you loud and clear. To be very clear I’m connected personally to several cabinet officials as a result of being an adviser from my parent agency when I was a GS-15 in government as well as a dozen Senior Executives, DISLs, GOs and other Flag Officers who would write letters on my behalf. Is this really what I need to do to get traction? I have no problem doing so but it seems like a “nuclear option” or do I need to adjust my sight picture? Sir, your thoughts?
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CAPT Kevin B.
Letters, desire, etc. is one thing. Actually having a good use for you and a reason to continue you is the determining factor. I'd ease off on the "I'm a GS-15" stuff. Too easy to oversell. Focus on what incredible job you can do and why it's essential to keep you around. The other thing is the Flags and ES side know how to get things done and they just need a low amplitude push. Some of these folks may be around and have to live with you. If it's important enough for them, so be it. Worse thing you can do is "nuclear mouth". Just point them in the direction of opportunity. They're big boys/girls and can figure it out from there. If not, do you really want your wagon hitched to them? One of the reasons I left was I didn't want to be a triage type for the new crowd. I was one of those who they'd pitch me out into Never Never Land because they knew I'd figure it out and make things work. Took me to rather interesting places. Got to learn more about the culture of the Asian Development Bank than I'd ever wish for along with how the Golden Triangle drug trade works. Bottom line. Good people don't need to figure it all out. If they tried, they'd piss off the wrong people. Heavy hitters recognize it's in their best interest to have the good ones around. Keep humble.
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