Posted on Oct 3, 2020
Will I lose my rank if I was auto-promoted into a DS Unit, but will need to transfer out into the IMA Program after only 5 months?
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I was already in the process of trying to get into the IMA Program when I got automatically promoted to E6 without putting in a packet. I got accepted into the IMA program and tried transferring out but the unit is telling me I need to decline my promotion and go back to my old unit and transfer to IMA that way. Is there a way around this since I never put in a packet to begin with? I even told them I would stay my year and they are telling me that even if I did that I am required to go to DS School to keep my rank and the thing is I have a major shoulder injury with a profile that would of prevented that and they knew about that when I first got transferred in.
Drill Sergeant
Promotions
Transfer
Posted 5 y ago
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You mentioned a profile, is it permanent? You can’t be a Drill Sergeant with a permanent profile, they know this. If you are willing to stay for the year to keep your new rank, I know there are places they can use you. I hate when “leaders” stand in the way of Soldiers plans and career progression, this is not leadership! If they are not going to work with you or help you transfer to the IMA position you were approved for, I would call HRC and talk to your IMA coordinator. Where is this DS Unit? I still have a lot of contacts in that world.
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SSG Shad Toliver
So here’s the thing, my profile would of been completed after my surgery in March but due to covid a lot of places shut down and the process was prolonged. The profile is temporary but ongoing for now because I have to go back and get surgery a second time on my rotator cuff in Jan/Feb which will result in another 9-12 months of recovery, and if and only if that goes well, I will be taken off of that profile. Before I name drop units, and develop an issue with a unit I’m trying to get out of, I will talk to some people to weigh my options. I really appreciate your response.
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CSM Eric Biggs
SSG Shad Toliver, I can respect that. I suggest you have a sit down and sell it to the 1SG and CO this way: While I’m here I want to do what I can to help however I can. Tell them about the status of your injury and what the road to recovery looks like. Say something about how you wouldn’t mind going to DS School, but due to your surgery coming up and the therapy after, DS School is a long way out, and you don’t want to negativity effect their numbers. That being said could you put me in an admin slot for the time being, where I will do the best job possible. Then at some future date, let me go continue my previous plans in the IMA, with my new rank.
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SSG Shad Toliver
CSM Eric Biggs I did talk to the CPT and 1SG. They are unwilling to work with me and are leaving it at the fact I can’t go to DS school anytime soon and with the new surgery popping up they want me to decline, go to DS school or face rank reduction which will not be easy for them to do but.. as the commenter posted below, apparently they don’t have to strip me of my rank, it is their choice to do so as they try and force me out. I did have a long talk with them and it seems the bottom line is to decline since I want to go IMA in the long run. I do appreciate your help in this matter. This is a very stressful situation.
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CSM Eric Biggs
SSG Shad Toliver, sounds like SFC Christopher Adame, have you some good info. Sound to me like this Command team does not understand what real readership or taking care of Soldiers is, and that is unfortunate. Best of luck, unless you want to send me a message with details and I can makes some calls and inquiries?
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Someone asked a very similar question on here a while back. They were conditionally promoted in a DS position and had to leave. They had to give up their rank.
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Let me ask SGM Steve Wettstein CSM Charles Hayden SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" SSG Carlos Madden LTC (Join to see)
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Conditional Promotion is for E4s to E5 with the condition to keep rank being completion of DS qualification.
You have a traditional promotion issue. The losing commander can choose to let you transfer and keep your rank if the gaining element has a E6 slot to put you in.
It happened to me. It says on your orders that “failure to” .... blah blah blah, “may result” in what amounts to going back to your previous rank. But the “may” is the operative word.
That’s the commander’s choice. Mine allowed me to keep my rank and I transferred out after eight months. The transfer was started at five months, so...
Best of luck
You have a traditional promotion issue. The losing commander can choose to let you transfer and keep your rank if the gaining element has a E6 slot to put you in.
It happened to me. It says on your orders that “failure to” .... blah blah blah, “may result” in what amounts to going back to your previous rank. But the “may” is the operative word.
That’s the commander’s choice. Mine allowed me to keep my rank and I transferred out after eight months. The transfer was started at five months, so...
Best of luck
SSG Shad Toliver
I see now that this is just a matter of forcing me out since I have an injury. They aren’t willing to work with me since in the long run I am looking to go to the IMA program. I appreciate this information.
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SSG Shad Toliver I wouldn’t assume they are trying to force you out. I found that typically people just don’t know the extent of what we can and can’t do as reserve soldiers. I have learned a lot about the reserves just by looking at the situation and asking myself, “is this the BEST way to take care of this soldier’s situation?” If the answer was “no” than their was usually a way to take care of the soldier, just had to find it and fight for it.
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