Posted on Sep 28, 2017
Will it be math-intensive to serve as an Engineer Officer?
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I'm heading to Army OCS in a few months and I've been doing reading into the branches and Engineer Officer has really peaked my interest.
I find the sorts of jobs they engage in to be very appealing. My main hesitance comes from the fact that I'm not a fan of math. I'm not bad at math, I just don't really enjoy it and I cant see myself doing well in a job that would require a lot of complex math.
By branching Engineer, am I asking for trouble?
I find the sorts of jobs they engage in to be very appealing. My main hesitance comes from the fact that I'm not a fan of math. I'm not bad at math, I just don't really enjoy it and I cant see myself doing well in a job that would require a lot of complex math.
By branching Engineer, am I asking for trouble?
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Do bear shit in the woods??? When I went to BNCOC (12B) it seemed like all we did was math. My head hurt so bad every evening I needed beer to keep it straight (some nights Jack). Just imagine what it is like for an officer.
You're no fan of math, neither was I, but you will be force fed so much you will learn or die trying. In my day we had to learn to do all the demo formulas and math on paper, no calculators, because the mission couldn't stop if your calculator went tits up. Don't know about today.
You're no fan of math, neither was I, but you will be force fed so much you will learn or die trying. In my day we had to learn to do all the demo formulas and math on paper, no calculators, because the mission couldn't stop if your calculator went tits up. Don't know about today.
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Engineers do a lot of math. Nearly all recon missions require some form of calculation, Demo tasks, obstacle bands, bridging, and the construction units have the concrete and material calculations. The Engineer bible has the quick tables and the FMs have examples of how to do the figures.
As long as you can do basic math and high school algebra you should be fine. I figure if a hick like me could learn it and be successful then anyone who wants to learn should be able to master it.
As long as you can do basic math and high school algebra you should be fine. I figure if a hick like me could learn it and be successful then anyone who wants to learn should be able to master it.
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CSM Richard StCyr
CPT Lawrence Cable - I was the CSM for the 554th which EBOLC and the advance course fall under. One of the joys was mentoring and training young LTs. The Power Distro is like DDC Controls and resides in the relm of MMS (mathematical mystery shit) but since they get to use calculators now unlike us old folks. They fare a lot better. But as far as the electrical grids they may encounter and have to fix.. ain't no training but OJT gonna get them ready for that.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CSM Richard StCyr - I was a branch transfer, so I didn't do the Engineer Basic (Infantry Officer), but I did have to do the Advanced Course. I went through in 1989, not too long after they had moved the Officer Side from Belvoir. Luckily, I have a pretty extensive construction background, mechanical and structural, so I wasn't completely lost. OTOH, I had never done horizontal construction and bridging has to be about the hardest single structural course of study. I think I had nightmare about rolling loads. I don't remember them letting us use calculators at the time and I'm old enough that I actually still have a slide rule. Most people on here will have to google what that is.
The facilities were almost new then and they were VERY nice. Nice school building and a great library. The unaccompanied officers quarters were the nicest that I ever stayed in while in the Army.
The facilities were almost new then and they were VERY nice. Nice school building and a great library. The unaccompanied officers quarters were the nicest that I ever stayed in while in the Army.
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CSM Richard StCyr
CPT Lawrence Cable - The facilities are still nice. I have my Dads slide rule, he used it at the paper mill to calculate batch mixtures for additives to the paper pulp. He could also do calculations using a framing square that were mind blowing.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Your Dad's Slide Rule, now I feel ancient :^). I framed houses for awhile back in the day and was taught to use the framing square to do all the calculations for rafter and jack length, heel heights, stair calculations, etc. I was never as fast as the old guy that taught me. Most carpenters today don't have a clue what to do with all those markings on the square.
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The short answer is Yes. Engineering is numbers and if you struggle with Math, a good part of it will be no fun. The two hardest subjects mathematically for me were power distribution and bridging. Bridging is a real bear if you don't have a strong Trig background. I loved my time as an Engineer, but if you struggle at math and want try that branch, my advice is to start hitting the remedial math classes now. I had not done any math at these kind of levels for probably 15 years before I branch transferred and it was a struggle to keep up a decent grade point average.
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2LT (Join to see)
Thanks for the input. Algebra and geometry isn't horrible but the more advanced stuff....
As much as building things has its appeal, trigonometry does not. I might have to leave Engineering to the math buffs.
As much as building things has its appeal, trigonometry does not. I might have to leave Engineering to the math buffs.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
2LT (Join to see) - Didn't mean to discourage you, but I wanted to be honest. I liked the challenge offered in the Engineers, where you will often get assignments as company grade officers that you wouldn't see in most branches. As an example, I served as Task Force Engineer (battalion sized mechanized units) as a 1LT and as the Assistant Brigade Engineer (the Brigade Engineer is the BN Commander, who has other things to take care of most of the time) as a Captain. It's also a branch that is largely open to women officers, which the exception of some Combat Engineer units. But the math requirement, especially in the Corp level or Heavy units, can be pretty heavy.
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Lt Col Robert Canfield
I would have to agree with Capt Cable. Engineering is about problem solving and math is a tool used to solve problems. I call it FSO skills (Figure Sh*t Out). As an EE in the Air Force, I had to work with many different disciplines and Govt Contractors on a variety of IT projects. I took a lot of math (Diff Eq, Vector Calc, Partial Diff Eq) to get my degree. I was not great at it, but I got through it. I did not use much of the advanced math skills on the job, but when working with developers or contractors, I needed to know enough so that I could understand what they were talking about. Sometimes you really had to do some out-of-the-box thinking to complete projects and meet user requirements. Bottom line, you really need to be a problem solver. One day the problem might be how to get a bridge or structure built even though you don't have all the right materials or tools. The next day it might be a leadership challenge where you have to consider replacing a subordinate who is not performing.
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