Posted on Jun 27, 2022
Will removing the GED/High school requirement for Army enlistment be a positive or negative for Army Readiness?
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SSG Carlos Madden There has to be some kind of minimum standard. I'm not entirely in agreement that the high school diploma represents much of anything other than they completed twelve years of school these days. The standard should be the ASVAB. Maybe if they didn't finish high school, they should be required to have a higher score than a graduate possibly. As a motivating factor they could say if you do not have high school diploma the only available slot will be the infantry. If they want to move to another MOS they have to get their GED first.
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Readiness????????????
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What really showed me the light when I was a Company Commander was that I had over 50 trucks on my MTOE. So on paper, I could organically move my entire MOTE and personnel as either a driver or TC. Equipment seats matched personnel billets.
However, not a single one of my soldiers came out of TRADOC with a drivers license.
It was on the USAR unit to train quartermaster soldiers to use large shipping vehicles and warehouse forklifts to actually operate them.
88M billets were also not on my UMR.
Every time I stepped into my motor pool I was constantly thinking "this is where my soldiers are going to get killed".
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So in terms of "readiness", then no, my company did not have sufficient drivers and TC's to organically move ourselves as an entire unit. We could do an exercise here and there with 10 or so drivers, but no where near the at least 50 I needed.
GED's are not going to make that readiness metrics any better. Drivers training in TRADOC for PLS's LMTV's, HUMVEES, and Forklifts is what is needed.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
What really showed me the light when I was a Company Commander was that I had over 50 trucks on my MTOE. So on paper, I could organically move my entire MOTE and personnel as either a driver or TC. Equipment seats matched personnel billets.
However, not a single one of my soldiers came out of TRADOC with a drivers license.
It was on the USAR unit to train quartermaster soldiers to use large shipping vehicles and warehouse forklifts to actually operate them.
88M billets were also not on my UMR.
Every time I stepped into my motor pool I was constantly thinking "this is where my soldiers are going to get killed".
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So in terms of "readiness", then no, my company did not have sufficient drivers and TC's to organically move ourselves as an entire unit. We could do an exercise here and there with 10 or so drivers, but no where near the at least 50 I needed.
GED's are not going to make that readiness metrics any better. Drivers training in TRADOC for PLS's LMTV's, HUMVEES, and Forklifts is what is needed.
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I knew many NCOs throughout my early years who did well without it. Most earned their equivalency while serving. As long as they are encouraged as part of their enlistment to gain education and they meet the entry standards then why not. We should never reduce the scores as currently identified for entry.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
Here Are SOME Figures, But Other Sites Have Similar, But NOT Exact, Figures:
And That 45% Is HUGH When You Consider The MILLIONS Of Dollars They Spent To Get A College Degree; While Considering It To NOT Be Worth What They Paid,..
45% Of Grads Say College Wasn't Worth The Cost - Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/.../2016/06/28/college-cost
Forty-five percent of respondents said college wasn't worth the cost,
And That 45% Is HUGH When You Consider The MILLIONS Of Dollars They Spent To Get A College Degree; While Considering It To NOT Be Worth What They Paid,..
45% Of Grads Say College Wasn't Worth The Cost - Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/.../2016/06/28/college-cost
Forty-five percent of respondents said college wasn't worth the cost,
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - .............
Then There's THIS:
What percentage of college graduates get a job in their exact ...
http://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-college...
Here’s roughly how things break out for college graduates: Fifteen percent get a job in their field of study. Forty-five percent get some kind of professional job, making a “college” salary. Forty percent end up underemployed, many working for minimum wage. Notes These are pre-COVID stats.
Then There's THIS:
What percentage of college graduates get a job in their exact ...
http://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-college...
Here’s roughly how things break out for college graduates: Fifteen percent get a job in their field of study. Forty-five percent get some kind of professional job, making a “college” salary. Forty percent end up underemployed, many working for minimum wage. Notes These are pre-COVID stats.
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Personally I think it can go both ways. Some people struggle in school with classes but they’re really good at practical life skills and trades which would help in my opinion in the army. Yes there are a lot of people out there that don’t have those skills but I think it’s going to go both ways, but it’s ultimately going to be on the leaders in the ranks to teach coach mentor these folks and get them right. going to be a new leadership challenge
For all of us.
For all of us.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
Things May Have Changed Considerably Since My Service Years, (1961 - 1965)
But I Found A Multitude Of Great Programs Through USAFI.
Everything Imaginable; From Criminology To A Wide Variety Of Business Programs.
And Courses Directed To Your Military Occupations..
If For Nothing Else But Curiosity, Contact Your Education Office & Scan Anything You Have An Interest In & It'll Be There.
I Dropped Out Of School, Mid 9th Grade.
Upon Completing Multiple Business Programs, I Was Able To Retire At 56.
Purchasing Dept. Director For FMC & Self Employed For 27 Years...
Not TOO Bad For A Frig'en DROP OUT.
But I Found A Multitude Of Great Programs Through USAFI.
Everything Imaginable; From Criminology To A Wide Variety Of Business Programs.
And Courses Directed To Your Military Occupations..
If For Nothing Else But Curiosity, Contact Your Education Office & Scan Anything You Have An Interest In & It'll Be There.
I Dropped Out Of School, Mid 9th Grade.
Upon Completing Multiple Business Programs, I Was Able To Retire At 56.
Purchasing Dept. Director For FMC & Self Employed For 27 Years...
Not TOO Bad For A Frig'en DROP OUT.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
I Received My GED By The 2nd Month I Was In The USAF And A Full Array Of Business Programs Within My 4 Year Enlistment...
Don't Make The Mistake Of Passing-Up On The Benefits Your Military Careers Have To Offer.... And They're All Free Of Cost.... Not So If You Wait To Attend Colleges Or Training Services After Your Military Years...
Don't Make The Mistake Of Passing-Up On The Benefits Your Military Careers Have To Offer.... And They're All Free Of Cost.... Not So If You Wait To Attend Colleges Or Training Services After Your Military Years...
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It depends on the Army's readiness requirements. If we are WAY below our target numbers then it would be a positive thing. But if we are meeting, or at least coming close to our target personnel requirements, then lowering the education requirement would be a negative thing because we're downgrading the quality or our recruits when its unnecessary.
NEGATIVE!!! Not having a GED or High School Diploma just shows me your not able to "finish the job". There is no longer a draft. Now maybe the Army can have a 30 day school before they go in so they have a GED. That at least will give you an idea of what your getting.
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REFER TO MY BIO:
I Left The Public "Lack-Of-Education-System" Mid 9th Grade.
As It Teaches Absolutely Nothing Of USEFUL Value After The 6th Grade.
Think About That For Yourselves..
After You Completed The 6th Grade... ...
What Did You Learn Of Use For Your Future Employment? ....Anything?
Kinda Makes Ya Wonder:
"Why Were So Many Years Totally Wasted
Sitting In A Class Room, Serving No Purpose What-So-Ever"?
Joined The USAF ON My 17th Birthday & Received A Great Education Through USAFI & NAVPERS.
To My Benefits, I Was Able To Retire, Comfortably, At 56;
With Absolutely NO Assistance Through Our Public Schools... Zero, Nada Damned Thing
I Left The Public "Lack-Of-Education-System" Mid 9th Grade.
As It Teaches Absolutely Nothing Of USEFUL Value After The 6th Grade.
Think About That For Yourselves..
After You Completed The 6th Grade... ...
What Did You Learn Of Use For Your Future Employment? ....Anything?
Kinda Makes Ya Wonder:
"Why Were So Many Years Totally Wasted
Sitting In A Class Room, Serving No Purpose What-So-Ever"?
Joined The USAF ON My 17th Birthday & Received A Great Education Through USAFI & NAVPERS.
To My Benefits, I Was Able To Retire, Comfortably, At 56;
With Absolutely NO Assistance Through Our Public Schools... Zero, Nada Damned Thing
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