Posted on Mar 24, 2016
Will stopping immigration from Middle Eastern countries stop terror attacks?
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Stopping immigration, doesn't complete the picture for preventing terrorism. These perpetrators of terror were/are citizens of European countries, where they struck fellow citizens.
Medhi Nemmouche, was Belguim, Salah Abdeslam, is Belgium, Amedy Coulibaly, is French, Cherif and Said Kouachi (brothers) are French, Ismael Omar Mostefai is French,Khalid and Ibrahim el-Bakraoui (brothers) were Belgium
Medhi Nemmouche, was Belguim, Salah Abdeslam, is Belgium, Amedy Coulibaly, is French, Cherif and Said Kouachi (brothers) are French, Ismael Omar Mostefai is French,Khalid and Ibrahim el-Bakraoui (brothers) were Belgium
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By itself? No. But it does help to mitigate the risk in some ways. The risk with immigration is not the one or two individuals who immigrate. Those folks are relatively easy to vette. It's when you have a massive influx of people that bad guys can slip in. The bigger issue is how are these Muslim citizens being radicalized?
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Hard screening immigrants from all backgrounds can help prevent terror attacks. Terrorists don't just come from middle eastern countries.
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SrA Edward Vong Terrorism can come from within as well. We need not look far to find it. We can start with John Wilkes Booth and end with Syed Rizwan Farook. Race nor religion are complete in determining who will act upon their beliefs that they are doing the right thing. John Wilkes Booth thought that he would be considered a hero for assassinating Abraham Lincoln.
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SrA Edward Vong
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That is also an issue. Hard-screening immigrants is a way to prevent those from coming, however doesn't stop what is already inside. I am with you that terrorists come in all forms and is not defined by race nor religion.
Hard screening ALL immigrants may also be a hassle, especially with the amount of money it takes. immigrants are not just those moving here, they can be green card workers, tourists, students with visas, illegal immigrants, etc. Maybe a random generated list not based on anything. 1/4 travelers will be screened? Who knows?
That is also an issue. Hard-screening immigrants is a way to prevent those from coming, however doesn't stop what is already inside. I am with you that terrorists come in all forms and is not defined by race nor religion.
Hard screening ALL immigrants may also be a hassle, especially with the amount of money it takes. immigrants are not just those moving here, they can be green card workers, tourists, students with visas, illegal immigrants, etc. Maybe a random generated list not based on anything. 1/4 travelers will be screened? Who knows?
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SrA Edward Vong - I have nothing against hard screening, I think we need to look beyond it though.
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SrA Edward Vong
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One advantage we do have as opposed to European nations is that we are pretty isolated, with Canada and South America as an exception. European countries are just one big cluster...yeah...
I am not entirely sure how easy it is to travel from one country to the next in Europe, but I suppose it's easier than the states.
One advantage we do have as opposed to European nations is that we are pretty isolated, with Canada and South America as an exception. European countries are just one big cluster...yeah...
I am not entirely sure how easy it is to travel from one country to the next in Europe, but I suppose it's easier than the states.
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Our very own POTUS is opening the doors to 10K ME-type refugees and their tag-along terrorists using the same vetting criteria which failed in the case of the San Bernardino killers. European countries are feeling the pinch of unfettered immigration from past years and it will only get worse for them and US. DTs proposals on immigration and the 'wall' are broad brush allegories for stepped up comprehensive measures to control unencumbered free access by millions of illegal aliens, legit migrants and their terrorist clones. No one thinks DT is literal about building a brick and mortar wall, but it does get to the heart of the matter and our national weakness to attack by infiltration. The war on terrorism will require draconian measures, far and above any ever before considered. Taking Europe as an example of the present state of protection DT is the only one who has recognized and addressed threats to the country.
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CPT (Join to see) . They might have been born in Belgium but they do not view themselves as Belgians or Flemish etc. They are muslims (jihadists) first and foremost. They identify by religion, not birth place/nationality. We need to stop assuming they view things the same way we do. We make grave errors in judgment thinking jihadists born in any country identify with that country and view others born there as "fellow citizens. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of us identify as Americans. Many muslims self identify by their religion, period (not all).
No one suggested stopping immigration only making sure we can vet the applicants (whoever they might be) correctly. We also should deport those that are here that over stay Visas or display radical tendencies.
No one suggested stopping immigration only making sure we can vet the applicants (whoever they might be) correctly. We also should deport those that are here that over stay Visas or display radical tendencies.
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SPC David S.
That is part of the Dutch problem - giving up and not holding the line.
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.619/police-in-dutch-city-hague-asked-mosque-to-establish-sharia-patrols.html
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.619/police-in-dutch-city-hague-asked-mosque-to-establish-sharia-patrols.html
Police in Dutch city Hague asked mosque to establish Sharia patrols
It is in itself most dramatic that the state gives up to enforce law and order and leave this task to representatives of a local mosque. But when we take a closer look at the As Sunnah mosque, the story becomes even more incredible.
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Cpl Jeff N. That's the point, I'm talking about when I say that they struck their fellow citizens.
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Cpl Jeff N.
CPT (Join to see) I must have misunderstood your post. I thought you were surprised they would kill "fellow citizens" of their country. My contention is they do not view themselves as Belgian citizens. They are muslims living in Belgium and their allegiance is to their religion. Nothing wrong with someone viewing themselves through their faith first unless and until it becomes violent or harmful to the society at large.
This entire situation in Europe has been caused in large part by the arrogance of Western European culture. They seem to believe that if they just expose these refugees (and other non assimilating "immigrants") to their culture, their cities, their architecture, their history, their lifestyle etc. they will be able to convince them that this is the way to go. They expect they will see their sophistication, their savoir faire and be transformed/over taken by it. This is a complete failure to understand world religion and the sway it has with many and how their world view is shaped.
What they fail to recognize that in the muslim world, their faith comes first by a long shot (nothing wrong with that). They are muslims first, second and third and citizens of a particular country a little further down the list. They do not see themselves in
"brotherhood" with non muslims for the most part.
This entire situation in Europe has been caused in large part by the arrogance of Western European culture. They seem to believe that if they just expose these refugees (and other non assimilating "immigrants") to their culture, their cities, their architecture, their history, their lifestyle etc. they will be able to convince them that this is the way to go. They expect they will see their sophistication, their savoir faire and be transformed/over taken by it. This is a complete failure to understand world religion and the sway it has with many and how their world view is shaped.
What they fail to recognize that in the muslim world, their faith comes first by a long shot (nothing wrong with that). They are muslims first, second and third and citizens of a particular country a little further down the list. They do not see themselves in
"brotherhood" with non muslims for the most part.
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There doesn't seem to be a rash of terrorism from Quakers, or Amish... You can say all you want that anyone can be a terrorist, but look at the names in your post. None are Smith, Jones, Murphy, or Heidke for that matter. They are all middle eastern names. The press is famous for saying Belgian man, or Brockton man, when the perpetrator is clearly an immigrant.
I agree with SrA Edward Vong, hard screening needs to be in place.
And tougher immigration and screening from ANY country will slow terrorism here.
I agree with SrA Edward Vong, hard screening needs to be in place.
And tougher immigration and screening from ANY country will slow terrorism here.
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CSM David Heidke
CPT Jack Durish - Easy, don't let them in. Why do they need to come here? There are tons of culturally alike countries in the geographic area they could go to. I know why... We have money to give them...
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Stop them now? After ISIS already told they were shipping their soldiers out with the first wave? As the government heads of state in Europe were so busy being politically correct, they never thought about what happens afterwards?
Now, it's a lot like shutting the barn door after the horse is already out.
Now, it's a lot like shutting the barn door after the horse is already out.
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No, but it sure couldn't hurt. It would definitely be a step in the right direction.
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As many domestic terrorists and spree killers as we produce, you might as well place us on the no import/export list as well...
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Yes, the names mentioned were born into the EU -- however, their parents were immigrants, which leads down the same problem: immigration without hard screening, as mentioned before. There wouldn't be a need to worry either way if immigration were to be halted completely.
The plan to halt immigration probably doesn't include a time machine to reject all immigrating families from the past, it means it can prevent terrorism in the future, allowing the EU to reassess their situation and lick their wounds, until they are confident enough to accept immigration applications again.
Clearly nothing is being done correctly with the borders being open, it's like trying to solve a math problem that is constantly changing its variables, if there's no 'pause' button, it will never be solved.
The plan to halt immigration probably doesn't include a time machine to reject all immigrating families from the past, it means it can prevent terrorism in the future, allowing the EU to reassess their situation and lick their wounds, until they are confident enough to accept immigration applications again.
Clearly nothing is being done correctly with the borders being open, it's like trying to solve a math problem that is constantly changing its variables, if there's no 'pause' button, it will never be solved.
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SPC Corbin Sayi This is the point of my post. I could easily have done one citing our own domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, Dylan Roof, Scott Roeder, Jim David Adkisson, Paul Jennings Hill, James Karl Kopp, John Stack, to name a few.
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CSM David Heidke
CPT (Join to see) - clearly Captain, these "terrorists" make up the majority of terrorism related deaths. You are absolutely correct... not
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CSM David Heidke - The point is we need to look beyond what we are looking at that we shouldn't be wearing blinders. Just because they didn't kill 2996 as were killed in the 9/11 attacks doesn't mean that we can't or won't see this come from within at some point in the future.
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Unfortunately there is no real way of stopping terrorism. It's going to happen because there will always be people who are angry and hate something. If the attacks aren't from immigrants there is enough people insane enough already in the States to pull something off.
I don't think we should shut down completely to immigration, it won't help. However, increasing security and keeping an eye on those who do come from violent areas, big brother as it may seem, could help. There definitely needs to be a better screening process. People who have been investigated or have open investigations against them for possible links to terroristic activities should not be allowed for sure.
I don't know, it just seems like there's better ways to do it.
I don't think we should shut down completely to immigration, it won't help. However, increasing security and keeping an eye on those who do come from violent areas, big brother as it may seem, could help. There definitely needs to be a better screening process. People who have been investigated or have open investigations against them for possible links to terroristic activities should not be allowed for sure.
I don't know, it just seems like there's better ways to do it.
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