Posted on Jun 22, 2017
Will the Sailors on the USS Fitzgerald be eligible for combat awards? Specifically, will FC1 Rehm be eligible for the MoH?
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So on several online forums, I've asserted my opinion that FC1 Rehm, who continued saving Sailors until he knew the ship would sink if they didn't close the watertight hatch (and then DID close it, thereby saving the ship but sacrificing himself and 6 others) should be eligible for the MoH for his actions, if they bear out as reported so far. Someone on another forum said something to the effect that he'll get some sort of medal for sure, but not a combat medal. So that's my question. Does the situation on the Fitz rise to the level of combat? I don't think you'll find any Sailor who says it doesn't. Opinions are welcome, but I'm hoping for a definitive answer. Note: if it's determined that the Crystal deliberately rammed the Fitz, this question becomes moot entirely.
Edited 7 y ago
Posted 7 y ago
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I think he should be granted his retirement, nevertheless he should get the highest award under the cituation on hand moreover after the collision general quarters was in place giving the person conducting the investigation for the MOH or Navy Cross the ability to write the citation on such a away to determine than under the circumstances he should be consider to the highest award possible, he put his personal safety in harm to allowed others to escape
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No. But they should get other awards. Bronze Star is off the table too (Requires combat as well) Could get Navy Marine Corps Medals or even Silver Stars...At least the sailor who kept going back down to try to rescue as many as he could before perishing himself should get at least the Silver Star or NMCM.
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Not declared as combat so my guess would be maybe Navy and Marine Corps Medal. If the reports are accurate he sacrificed his life to save others. If they later declare it as an attack, things could change. It got kinda weird when the Federal Bldg was blown up in Oklahoma City as well. There were some active duty Marines in the Recruiting Station that were injured. A SSgt was later assigned to Platoon I was in charge of at Camp Lejeune. I wrote the civilian at Awards Branch at HQMC to inquire about the "all enemies foreign and domestic" re: PH Medal and was told at that time it did not apply. That, like this was a political hot potato and I don't know if it ever changed. No doubt this guy and others were heroic in their actions to save crew and ship, but ship always takes precedence. Mission first, men second. As to any higher award, even if it was intentional there are no guarantees when it comes to politics. For now it simply doesn't meet the "legal" standard even though it meets or exceeds any "moral" standard for recognition. MOH, NC, doesn't matter because it's just an exercise in speculation as long as it doesn't meet the legal standard. Paper changes paper though, but I'd be surprised if anyone opens that jar.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
Out of curiosity I looked for news on OK bombing. At a quick glance I found this link. It refers to Ft Hood and Little Rock medals. I knew there were deaths in OK but didn't mention before. I don't know if it was ever resolved for OK, but the Awards Branch was pretty clear on it at the time I contacted them (96-97 timeframe).
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2015/07/08/ndaa-purple-heart-oklahoma-city-bombing-victims-albert-p-murrah-federal-building/29864009/
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2015/07/08/ndaa-purple-heart-oklahoma-city-bombing-victims-albert-p-murrah-federal-building/29864009/
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It wasn't combat so why would they rate combat awards? FC1 Rehm is eligible for the Navy and Marine Corps Medal which is the highest award for non-combat actions, if the stories about what he did are true and verifiable. This is the same medal President Kennedy received for his actions saving the sailors of his PT Boat during WWII.
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SN Greg Wright
Zero difference between the actions required (and performed) of the Fitz Sailors in this accident, and if the damage had been caused by a missile. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Neither the ship nor the ocean (nor the Sailors) give a damn WHAT opened the hole in the hull. You either do xyz...or you die. Or, as in this case, you do xyz and die anyway. You can't tell me that's not worthy.
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SSgt (Join to see)
SN Greg Wright - Not combat so MOH is not allowed. Navy and Marine Corps Medal is the highest award allowed for non-combat operations. It doesn't matter if whether you or I think of the sailors actions it was not combat and as such doesn't rate a combat award. That doesn't mean the actions were any less heroic just that they do not fit the conditions required for a higher award.
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Navy and Marine Corps Medal for non combat heroism, but he could get MOH as law was changed because of law was changed because of Navy. Yes MOH can be awarded for above and beyond heroism, for non combat.
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After several years of awarding Purple Hearts for injuries suffered in traffic accidents while serving in Iraq and Ass-ghanistan or being in a gym at the wrong time in Texas, nothing would surprise me anymore. The DoD now passes medals and ribbons out like candy. It's simply disgusting.
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No. There is nothing about the situation that qualifies the sailor for a MoH. However, there are noncombat medals for heroism that do apply. The navy has the navy and marine corps medal for heroism that does in fact apply. Similar to the army's soldier medal, it is similar to many valor awards, but specific to situations that involved no combat.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
How do you suppose they get shafted??? Answer one question, was it in combat? That's it. If it wasn't in a designated combat zone, under fire, it doesn't matter. There is no shafting going on here, man. The fact of the matter is that Navy guys and gals are just not often involved in what regulation defines as combat. If you aren't in SOF, a pilot, perhaps a seabee, you are probably not going to be in a situation that would allow for combat awards for valor. It just doesn't happen that way. It isn't that the DoD is shafting the Navy, it is simply the nature of the beast. The coast guard doesn't really get mixed up in those kinds of actions either. Neither does the air force. It just doesn't happen all too often.
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MCPO Roger Collins
SGT Joseph Gunderson - I know that the SEAL Teams would agree with your assessment. Or the survivors of Midway and other sea battles during WWII.
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LtCol George Carlson
SN Greg Wright you are missing my final point which was that the MoH criteria are quite specific and quite clear. Ditto the Navy Cross. The Navy and Marine Corps medal is appropriate as the highest award for non-combat heroism. That the N&MCM is "lower" in precedence for military awards does not mean they are seen as "less heroic." They won't rate an OBE or French Croix de Guerre either because of the specifics, not the level of heroism.
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