Posted on Nov 12, 2020
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This is crazy question for senior NCO to be asking but I don't seem to find a clear answer after doing all the research, so here it goes: with the new board proceedings, can a SFC of almost 18yrs of active duty service be involuntarily separated from the Army through QMP for failing and being dropped from the course Drill Sergeant School with having a 1059 that reflects the failure of the course in his OMPF?
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
You'll only be separated through QMP for items that cause a referral to QMP. The 1059 for failed course only applies to NCOES.
LTC Jason Mackay
LTC Jason Mackay
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I saw a NCO in my BDE separated for this (DS School Failure) in 2015. I believe QMP was the vehicle.
SFC Retention Operations Nco
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LTC Jason Mackay if they have something that accompanies it, it will trigger the QMP. For instance, an Article 15 or did not meet standards remark on their NCOER. But the current QMP message only lists NCOES 1059s received in the rank of SSG or higher.
LTC Jason Mackay
LTC Jason Mackay
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SFC (Join to see) - she failed the APFT. There was something else I can't remember
MSG Student
Im pretty sure the new system got rid of QMP. Now you still get scored by board members between 1 and 6+. If your score is below a 2+ you are found Not Fully Qualified and a HQDA Bar to Continued Service will be imposed. The Bar gives you 1 year to correct yourself before the next evaluation board. If the next year you are still NFQ you will be separated. If you raise your score to FQ the Bar is lifted.
Paula Heller
Paula Heller
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I have a question about the NFQ. Recently the SSG boards were released 20220520 and the SM is not listed indicating an NFQ status. The service member is unsure of what resulted in the NFQ status other than a lack of line time due to being unable to be assigned a location that support the MOS and EFMP member. SM does not have any codes listed on ERB that indicates a bar to continued service. HRC has indicated that NFQ can continue to happen without concern as long as the individual is not listed as NFQ-R.
Where is the SM expected to find a way to "fix" the issue if there is no correspondence as to what promoted the NFQ. SM is top rated in NCOERS, has been unable to pcs due to EFMP, offered to do unaccompanied tour to establish line time and was denied as the current duty station can no support SM return due to the current duty station not supporting his PMOS. Any guidance?
MSG Student
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Paula Heller there is NFQ and NFQ-DNR, or Not Fully Qualified-Do Not Retain. The NFQ-DNR is when the bar is emplaced. The lack of Career Development (CD) time is probably what led to the SMs NFQ, but I can't say for certain without seeing records. The SM should become FQ while conducting or finished with CD time. There is a slide deck in the enlisted promotion section on HRC website, whenever that comes back up.
As for the SM finding a job that will allow CD, they should talk with their CSM and branch to figure something out. There has to be a post that can support the EFMP requirements and has the positions for CD time.
Paula Heller
Paula Heller
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MSG (Join to see) - this has been on going for the past 2.5 years of being assigned somewhere. Have been denied 10 locations during that time frame. There are unfortunately only 6 hospitals in the united stated that can support the EFM. Correspondences have been sent to HRC assignment manager to help locate a station to support EFMP and CD with the outline of where hospitals are located that could potentially support the EFMP but all are outside of the current desired drive time by the MTF. The closest that have been establish is 6 hours from the hospital one way with on going treatment every 3 months for the EFM. SM family has agreed to this drive time however the politics at play find it unacceptable to be that far from a providing hospital. The SM has also agreed to unaccompanied with no luck, being instructed that unaccompanied is not an option as it may separate the family for the remainder of the SM career.

Considering you said that you can't say for sure without seeing the SM records as to the NFQ, is the SM's 1SG able to help ensure that NFQ is because of CD?
MSG Student
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Paula Heller I'd hope the SMs senior NCOs offered to look at records before the board, but either the 1SG or CSM should be able to have an idea. No one will know for sure except those that sat in the evaluation board.

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