Posted on May 10, 2015
SFC Tyrone Almendarez
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What are your thoughts with what haunts some of our service members? What are your feelings on how we treat our veterans.
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Veterans in our Nation kill themselves / commit suicide almost one per hour each day every day. They are Veterans both young and old, male & female. Is there a hidden common denominator at work ? ?. I believe there is. And it's called the **'No-Work-List'** . A list i believe i myself have been placed on along with countless numbers of former members of our Nations Armed Forces. The goal of the list / plan is to get the Veteran to submit / comply , by way of financial distress, with a system contaminated with deep seeded institutional corruption.

Being placed on the list causes financial distress for the Veteran and his family. Which in many cases drives the Veteran toward economic death followed by mental distress / spiritual death and actual physical death (SUICIDE). I am at the cusp of my research (SCIENCE) project. I am determined to establish the existence of the **'No-Work-List'** and present my findings to American Society , the public. Along with data on the correlation between Veteran Suicide and the existence and outcomes of the **'No-Work-List'** .
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I believe i have discovered a Domestic Espionage Operation run by State side operators. I have reported this matter to an Aid/Staff ( Mr.LIN ) member of United States SENATOR Chuck Grassley and the NYPD -Inspector Generals Office run by ( Mr.EURE ). In both cases my E-Mail communication / interaction were blocked / intercepted. It is only by chance i was able to discover this truth just last month (03/2015). In both cases i mention the problem along with details of this criminal on going unlawful surveillance of a private citizen & Veteran. I'm sure that in each instance the party doing the surveillance contacted the staff of both the elected and appointed official. And further more , the staff of both officials have not been honest about the matter. If true , there is a major cover-up and the possible existence of a covert program. Please help me obtain the truth , help me force the staff of both the elected official and the appointed official to come clean. My fear is that the program is related to an 'F.B.I.- COINTELPRO or DHS covert operation known as the **(NO-WORK-LIST)**. Thank you - Carl http://www.gofundme.com/rm8rg5c (not seeking donations,for info only)
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SGT Scott Byrne
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I have lost my home and everything in it our friends and not even relatives did not lend a hand all this wile my wife was informed that she has stomach cancer ifeel at the end of my rope,if I lose my best friend. Not sure I will be able to hold it together and drive on anymore.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
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I don't have to deal with this, but I have lots of friends that do. After watching some of the veterans groups I've been a part of in actions, I'm beginning to realize the solution may not be programs or treatments. It's a community.

The guys I see making headway are surrounded by other veterans that have given up on playing the BS tough guy games and laying it all out with enormous vulnerability. They're taking phone calls at 3am, driving an hour at the drop of a hat, unrepentantly calling 911 when something seems wrong or just hanging out on a weekend.

I see it time and time again - The vet struggling doesn't think anyone cares, may even be highly self-destructive in how he/she interacts with others, falls into the pit and this group of vets just gang piles them with encouragement, sacrifice and love. We still lose some, but it's not nearly as bad as it could be where this is happening.

Also, as a side note - a lot of attention goes to GWOT soldiers. The average age of veterans committing suicide is 60 years old. Hug your Vietnam through ODS vet friends. Make sure they know you're there for them even if their war is decades past.
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I find the picture offensive, untrue and extremely inflammatory. Looks designed only to start heavily and emotionally charged arguments on Rally Point.
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I understand that many vets are homeless. That is not the point. The military didn't MAKE them homeless. The military didn't MAKE them make poor economic decisions. The military didn't MAKE them unemployable. All of that rests on the individual.
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So who is at fault for the majority of troopers who aren't killing themselves? That aren't homeless? Who aren't unemployed???? If it's the military's failing, then why isn't it more systemic? Why isn't it the majority rather than a small percentage of the whole? Yes it has increased significantly but if one points a finger at the military as a whole then why isn't it a higher percentage of us? And why is it that one branch isn't seeing greater percentages of their strength affected vs the others? (Or are they??? Mmm). Down vote me all you like but the problem is not the military culture. The problem is not the war (meaning it's not the morality or immorality of the war). what you are positing is simplistic and political, NOT psychological or factual.
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No. They just had a thought "hey, how bad can I screw up my life." It is obvious you do not feel empathy for vets in need. Now, don't confuse it with sympathy.
Following your train of thought one could think THEY exposed themselves with Agent Orange for fun, they volunteered to breath contaminated burns in ME, they were asking their superiors for shooting more "hajjis," they invented PTSD to suck your tax dollars, and they are the "freeloaders" voting for destroy "your" country. Robert, get a grip on reality. Should every picture of firearm be removed because it offends someone? What exactly are you offended about the logo? Are you saying that medical doctors prescribing M are frauds like the rest of the scientists? It is OK to disagree. It is another matter to believe you are "holier than thou" because you have an opinion too.
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I didn't say any of that nor is agent orange even remotely an apt analogy to what I was talking about. I replied about the pic. I replied about the graphic used to 1. Incite emotional responses rather than rational 2. Espouses the opinions of the person positing the question and thereby coloring all responses. I was replying to the fact that saying the war is a war of lies which is what war is really. Pick a war, any war. It's premised on lies somewhere. Saying a war is immoral is like saying rape isn't a crime. I am simply asking a question in return. Did the government perpetrate crimes against soldiers? Hell yes. That was never in question nor did I ever say different. Is the military somehow responsible for every homeless vet, every person who has ptsd, every vet who is unemployed?? No of course not. There is a level of personal responsibility here. We also have no way of knowing if any of those that have committed suicide would have committed it regardless of the war or regardless of service. They may have in fact done so completely separate from any external stimuli. It could have been intrinsic to them from birth. Again, I am not without empathy (and thanks. I have a masters degree in psych. I'm more than well aware of the difference in it and sympathy), but I am also painfully aware that we are not weeding out individuals that have no business being in the service to begin with. I'm also painfully aware that many vets are homeless, jobless, and penniless due to their own faults and failures. I'd hazard a guess that the majority are. I think it's an easy way out and a cowards excuse to simply blame an outside entity for the failures of self. Which brings me back to what I said to start all this, which is the problem is systemic in our culture. Everything is everyone else's fault. That's not the fault of the military. Is the military failing to identify and to address the causes of what's happening? Oh yes. They are culpable, but by no means are they the sole or primary cause of the issues.
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