Posted on Jan 8, 2014
Women in combat, can we stop with the BS and just make it happen?
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4th British woman in history to earn the Military Cross.<br>Kudos.<br>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1375233/Mother-told-Military-Cross-hero-daughter-Kylie-Watson-Oh-Kylie-What-did-Next-time-don-t-.html<div class="pta-link-card"><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/09/article-1375233-0B8E4B [login to see] -385_1024x615_large.jpg"></div><div class="pta-link-card-content"><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1375233/Mother-told-Military-Cross-hero-daughter-Kylie-Watson-Oh-Kylie-What-did-Next-time-don-t-.html">'Oh, Kylie! What did you do? Next time, please don’t...': What mother told Military Cross hero daughter who twice braved hails of bullets to tend war wounded</a></div><div class="pta-link-card-description">Lance Corporal Kylie Watson, 23 - who stands just 5ft 1in tall in her Army-issue boots - is one of only four women in history to bear the coveted initials MC after her name.</div></div><div style="clear:both"></div><div class="pta-box-hide"><i class="icon-remove"></i></div></div>
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I have no issue with it as long as there is no compromise to the standards established in those combat arms units.
Men and women must both be held accountable for their performance.
Men and women must both be held accountable for their performance.
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COL (Join to see)
CW2 Joseph Evans, standards is why the 75th Ranger Regiment is successful. Everyone has to meet the standards, from the lowest private to the Regimental Commander. No compromise.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
It is also the same standard for every MOS. Whether you are an Admin clerk, Intel Specialist, or most lethal of all, Ranger cook, the standards are the same.
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I can't believe there is even much discussion about ;women in combat. Then again, I hold to a Christian/biblical worldview about just about everything, as does my wife, who was a soldier when we met nearly 40 years ago
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Don't buy into awards, I've seen females get awards(Navy Commendation Medals with Combat Distinguishing Device) mostly for just being female "in receipt of imminent danger pay". Having worked with several FET (Female Engagement Teams) their exploits are hugely exaggerated, and any mention of them living in the same conditions as riflemen is only partially true. Yes they live in Combat Outposts, but require being sent to a rear area every 45 days for at least week, they don't patrol every day much less multiple patrols/QRF, stand post and are rarely seen on working parties. It also bears mentioning that the school of infantry is an entry level school, it gets harder when you're in an infantry battalion, and ony two have made it beyond the first day of infantry officer's course. Over the last few years, I've noticed that the people most opposed to this are the people with the most ground combat experience and the people in favor generally have little to none. Infantry combat is not the place for a social experiment that continually fails in testing.
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GySgt (Join to see)
Interesting, I didn't know the Air Force had infantry battalions, that's really what this is all about, putting women in infantry battalions. Women serving in combat isn't new, 10's of thousands have and some have even performed satisfactorily or extraordinarily in direct combat, however the shooting is the easy part. I am curious though, which infantry course did you attend?
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4th woman...and how long has the award been around and how many men have gotten the award? Apples and oranges here. There has only been one woman to get the Silver Star since WWII and there have been 10s of millions who have served. Thousands of silver stars were awarded and only one went to a woman. Not a great argument.
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It isn't my argument, it is the argument of the original poster. He said we just allow women in the combat arms because a woman got got a valor award. The fact that 6 women, 2 Americans and 4 British, have earn their one of their nations' higher honors is no reason to allow women in the Combat Arms.
Yes, women are exposed to combat. They serve honorably and they perform their jobs well. There is a difference though between a woman who is an MP riding in a turret in a convoy and a man who is in the Infantry humping the mountains in Afghanistan on foot.
I use that example because most people who support women often bring up female MPs as an example of how they can do combat operations. The thing is, the Infantry fights mounted AND dismounted. They move long distances, with heavy weight, and they do it over and over again. My personal experiences with women attached to combat arms, the FETs, is they can't keep up. Sure there may a few, a tiny percentage, but that doesn't justify the cost of training to get them into a comabt arms MOS since far more will try than succeed unlike their male counterparts.
Yes, women are exposed to combat. They serve honorably and they perform their jobs well. There is a difference though between a woman who is an MP riding in a turret in a convoy and a man who is in the Infantry humping the mountains in Afghanistan on foot.
I use that example because most people who support women often bring up female MPs as an example of how they can do combat operations. The thing is, the Infantry fights mounted AND dismounted. They move long distances, with heavy weight, and they do it over and over again. My personal experiences with women attached to combat arms, the FETs, is they can't keep up. Sure there may a few, a tiny percentage, but that doesn't justify the cost of training to get them into a comabt arms MOS since far more will try than succeed unlike their male counterparts.
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As soon as they adjust the physical training standards across the board to not respect Gender. Why does a female soldier get paid the same when her physical training standards are easier then a male counterpart. Afte all there is "no" difference between men and women.
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SGT Anthony Rossi
Hunter, I just get stirred up about the equality thing. If we truly wanted to treat each soldier equal and open every position in the military to every person regardless of gender than we would remove all distinctions from them. Uniforms should be the same no female dress uniforms or male uniforms just one uniform. No male or female APFT just one APFT. Standard for hight and weight should be the same for male and female. Beginning at enlistment the basic soldier standards should be identical across the board. There should be no distinction in a soldiers promotion packet. This is true equality.
However, I don't want to see this happen because I believe there is a clear distinction in the genders. In some ways men are superior (generally speaking of course) to women, and in some ways women are superior to men. My point is that people only want "equality" when it helps them teach their desired goal. Why do we always have to change things. I'm not saying women aren't good enough to be in combat, because there certainly are. I'm just stating the fact that except for some unique exceptions women are not "needed" in combat so there is no reason except for political correctness to bring them into direct (front line) combat rolls. God made us different so let's just leave it at that.
However, I don't want to see this happen because I believe there is a clear distinction in the genders. In some ways men are superior (generally speaking of course) to women, and in some ways women are superior to men. My point is that people only want "equality" when it helps them teach their desired goal. Why do we always have to change things. I'm not saying women aren't good enough to be in combat, because there certainly are. I'm just stating the fact that except for some unique exceptions women are not "needed" in combat so there is no reason except for political correctness to bring them into direct (front line) combat rolls. God made us different so let's just leave it at that.
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So the white elephant in the room that no one wants to address in this is, if you want this taken seriously the first thing to do is get rid of different standards on the PT test. You can't rally for equality and demand entry into the combat arms and SOF units if you aren't willing to play by the same rules. At SFAS all ages compete in the 17-21 category regardless of age, you can't demand admission and equality but be selective about the gates to get there.
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Since it is pretty much already an inevitability I wish we could move on to the discussion about how to properly carry it out. Because as long as people keep fighting it that seems to be the only issue and no one, that I have seen, has suggested how to actually implement it. There are over 120 combat arms battalions in the Army alone, what is the best course of action? Should there be specific battalions designated for females to enter, thus ensuring a 'sisterhood'/support system, or should they just be thrown around 1 by 1 here and there? Should we start with all female units first and then integrate later? These are some of the many questions I would like to see answered about women in combat roles.
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