Posted on Mar 10, 2020
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According to Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the leading experts on infectious disease in the U.S., and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, once a person has contracted the new coronavirus, they cannot become infected again. So my thinking is a to execute a staggered planned infection including a quarantine period of all military troops in order to inoculate our military from covid-19. Taking into consideration of each SM's health and age. What are you thoughts?
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And you got your Doctorate when? Bad idea to purposely infect anyone. They (real doctors) have no idea how people will react. back to the drawing board i think.
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SPC David S.
Without a doubt this is nutty just thinking if this gets to a critical mass situation there is not enough gear or medical professionals to deal with this. Its a quarantine or get infected situation. Using the Diamond Princess as an example - most of them will survive.
However what about considering how that was handled - more or less forcing people to remain in in a contaminated environment. Feel that titters on the side of unethical.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/coronavirus-infections-keep-mounting-after-cruise-ship-fiasco-japan
However what about considering how that was handled - more or less forcing people to remain in in a contaminated environment. Feel that titters on the side of unethical.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/coronavirus-infections-keep-mounting-after-cruise-ship-fiasco-japan
Coronavirus infections keep mounting after cruise ship fiasco in Japan
Eight public servants who visited the ship to support the quarantine contracted the virus
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MSG (Join to see)
I'm not going to freak out about this. I'm going to continue living my life. Ill let the professional's try to figure this one out. I will spend exactly zero seconds trying to determine what is best for mankind.
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Purposefully infecting people has never gone the way it was intended. Way too many variables. Plus, the idea is just straight idiotic. Too many troops will be taken out of the fight causing missions and lives to be at too great a risk.
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SPC David S.
This is slow rolled - say .01% or .02% of troops at a giving time. For a troop strength of 1 million that 100-200 SM's. As well small number to measure the effect. Just thinking a managed approach would allow for better results as apposed to say having this spread uncontrolled and infecting 60% to 70% of our force.
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MSG (Join to see)
SPC David S. - Are you wanting a "Captain Tripps" type of worldwide pandemic from "The Stand?" Because this is how you could get one. Purposefully exposing people to viruses is never a good idea. Yea, the flu shot is a live virus...but it's a well controlled virus. Same as other vaccines. But you are talking of purposefully exposing people to the actual virus. This is probably one of the most unethical and immoral things I have ever heard.
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SPC David S.
MSG (Join to see) - yes there are ethical considerations however that may be the case at some point down the road if this goes unchecked.
If there aren’t enough masks or ventilation machines available, what is an ethically defensible way to allocate them? Might it be ethically acceptable to remove one patient from a ventilator so another could use it? Should clinicians who are forced to make such choices be legally protected? And who should get priority access to vaccines if and when they become available?
Lets say US produces a vaccine not so easily mass produced who's getting the vaccine?
More or less 2% of people with diagnosed Covid-19 have died, and between 5% and 10% have required intensive care. But if even a small fraction of a very large number of infected people might benefit from critical care resources like mechanical ventilation or extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation to help them breathe, difficult triage decisions could be required. Just thinking if this gets to a critical mass point a control infection would mitigate some of the previous ethical consideration mentioned.
Its the old if you know that by killing one person thousands will live - however that ethical debate takes on a different meaning when you are the one in question.
If there aren’t enough masks or ventilation machines available, what is an ethically defensible way to allocate them? Might it be ethically acceptable to remove one patient from a ventilator so another could use it? Should clinicians who are forced to make such choices be legally protected? And who should get priority access to vaccines if and when they become available?
Lets say US produces a vaccine not so easily mass produced who's getting the vaccine?
More or less 2% of people with diagnosed Covid-19 have died, and between 5% and 10% have required intensive care. But if even a small fraction of a very large number of infected people might benefit from critical care resources like mechanical ventilation or extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation to help them breathe, difficult triage decisions could be required. Just thinking if this gets to a critical mass point a control infection would mitigate some of the previous ethical consideration mentioned.
Its the old if you know that by killing one person thousands will live - however that ethical debate takes on a different meaning when you are the one in question.
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It would be nice to know the longer term effects of this virus before doing a forced exposure. Different variants manifest in different ways. Maybe start as a funny feeling, temper and mild flu symptoms - while attacking elsewhere - causing mortality. They don't expect a vaccine for 1 - 1.5 years, so that is a factor as well. Some of the larger labs such as LabCorp and Quest have spun up testing production, but it is still a challenge.
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SPC David S.
I feel MIGAL will be the first to market - just so happens they were working on a new approach for a viral vaccine using a coronavirus in their base line model. I was just thinking the easy way is to let the body naturally produce the antibodies - however curious how nature will respond. Will covid-23 or some other virus mutate into something more lethal.
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/israel-migal-covid-19-vaccine/
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/israel-migal-covid-19-vaccine/
Covid-19 vaccine development close by Israeli researchers
MIGAL Research Institute in Israel expect to start producing a Covid-19 vaccine in the next eight-ten weeks, based on their avian coronavirus IBV vaccine.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
The flu my wife and I had in December would feed on covid. Lasted two weeks each with me a week ahead. You name it and it had it. Had endurance too. First week started with internal cough that grew until ribs ached times 3 days. Then the rest of the trash. We had gifts but couldn't go to kids.
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CWO3 (Join to see)
Good news on vaccine though. Detection is a shortfall now i.e. testing, but vaccine is needed.
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There's this crazy new invention called vaccines that would work better, cost less, and no one would die.
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SPC David S.
True - however that's assuming its approved before all are infected or mutates to a new strand making a vaccine ineffective. On the flip side not sure I like the idea of getting an "investigational" drug either.
Mefloquine, developed by the U.S. Army at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the 1970s, was commercially introduced in 1989. The FDA ended up placing its strongest warning on mefloquine, saying the drug can cause ongoing or permanent neurological and psychiatric conditions, including dizziness, loss of balance, tinnitus, anxiety, depression, paranoia and hallucinations, even after discontinuing use.
Science is indeed the answer to the problem but I have concerns about pushing out a vaccine in such short order.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/
Mefloquine, developed by the U.S. Army at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in the 1970s, was commercially introduced in 1989. The FDA ended up placing its strongest warning on mefloquine, saying the drug can cause ongoing or permanent neurological and psychiatric conditions, including dizziness, loss of balance, tinnitus, anxiety, depression, paranoia and hallucinations, even after discontinuing use.
Science is indeed the answer to the problem but I have concerns about pushing out a vaccine in such short order.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/
Army signs agreement with drug giant Gilead on experimental COVID-19 treatment
U.S. troops with confirmed cases of COVID-19 could get an investigational drug treatment for the virus.
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SPC David S. vaccines are easy to make now. We've already sequenced the DNA and are working on one that should be out soon.
As for mefloquine, it still worked and that's better than infecting people, some of whom will die. As for speed, if you infected 0,01% like you said, you would have to do that to the target population 10,000 times to hit everyone. That would be a long and expensive process. It's a thousand times cheaper to prevent an illness than treat it.
As for mefloquine, it still worked and that's better than infecting people, some of whom will die. As for speed, if you infected 0,01% like you said, you would have to do that to the target population 10,000 times to hit everyone. That would be a long and expensive process. It's a thousand times cheaper to prevent an illness than treat it.
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SPC David S. I disagree. While the median age of those that are fatally infected is 70+ (in America), it is highly contagious. Therefore, purposely infecting everyone would explode that spiderweb effect exponentially. We wouldn't just infect ourselves, but EVERYONE we come in to contact with.
While the belief is that we will all (or the vast majority of us will) contract this virus, those outside of the fatal infection range will only suffer mild - normal flu-like symptoms. Those most at risk are the elderly and/or those with immuno-deficiencies underlying.
We have already seen that self-quanrantining does not work. The lady who came back from Italy and was the first reported case here in MO flew in to O'Hare, rode the Amtrak from Chicago to St. Louis, all before getting tested. She was told to self-quarantine in her house, along w/ her family, since they would then be infected. Her family promptly went out to a daddy/daughter dance at an elementary school, causing that school to have to shut down.
While the belief is that we will all (or the vast majority of us will) contract this virus, those outside of the fatal infection range will only suffer mild - normal flu-like symptoms. Those most at risk are the elderly and/or those with immuno-deficiencies underlying.
We have already seen that self-quanrantining does not work. The lady who came back from Italy and was the first reported case here in MO flew in to O'Hare, rode the Amtrak from Chicago to St. Louis, all before getting tested. She was told to self-quarantine in her house, along w/ her family, since they would then be infected. Her family promptly went out to a daddy/daughter dance at an elementary school, causing that school to have to shut down.
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Don't think it's practical nor wise. On the Active Compnent side, you're taking too many warfighters out of the fight. And on the RC side, that would prove difficult to accomplish as well as costly
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Absolutely not.
Might help the airline industry though, as there'd likely be a huge demand for tickets to Canada.
Might help the airline industry though, as there'd likely be a huge demand for tickets to Canada.
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Viruses mutate, that’s why we modify vaccines each year for seasonal flu. The vaccine or inoculation for today would be ineffective next year. It remains to be seen if we will learn to accept the death caused by Covid-19 as we do our seasonal flu. Oh, bad idea.
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Maj Robert Thornton
Other than just the idea of purposely infecting our troops is obscene, the fact that viruses mutate would have me voting against this plan. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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SPC David S. Even if you could get military men and women to go along with this, which you will not, this is one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard.
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SPC David S.
Usally happens when I begin to think however is it better to know than not know whos is infected as its already impacting military in a very uncontrolled way - SM's are testing positive all over the place so its already behind the wire - not sure if it can be really be managed or mitigated at this point.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/american-military-coronavirus.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/american-military-coronavirus.html
For American Military, Coronavirus Is an Enemy to Be Fought
The military’s first active-duty case, in South Korea, has commanders preparing a battle plan. But steps meant to stave off the virus may also compromise training and readiness.
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