Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?

As a 1SG I was called to attention by a 2LT once. I was in the middle of instructing my NCOs on what needed to get done that day, when this 2LT barged in to the closed door meeting we were having (no knock, no excuse me, just opened the door and walked in). I was mid-sentence, when he asked me, "What the hell do you think you're doing"? My reply was along the lines of "NCO business and so I'd appreciate you leaving my AO". He told me to shut my "piehole" and come to attention when addressing an officer. I complied before requesting a meeting in my office. The young 2LT refused. No problem. My NCOs witnessed this 2LT being unprofessional and me continually calling him Lieutenant. or sir. At one point, I explained to my NCOs we would continue with our meeting later and I went and spoke to our Hospital Commander, a Col. that I could talk to and who had once told me who ran the unit - ME! So, I explained what happened and handed her the statements my NCOs volunteered to write. Then I asked her for a meeting with the 2LT. During the meeting, she explained to the 2LT that that had been his one and only time to do this and the next time she would allow me to handle the situation as I saw fit. Then I was dismissed from the meeting, without ever being able to say a word. About 30 minutes later, the 2LT knocked on my office door and asked if we could "work together". To this day I have no idea what the Col. said to him, but nothing was ever said about the incident again.

I wish I'd had an E-9 to advise me when I was an O-1, but I didn't. Only a ROAD E-6. And I made a lot of mistakes. Would to G-d I'd had a senior enlisted person to protect me from my inexperience, And I'll pass my everlasting gratitude to AME1 Griffin who took me under his wing.

one afternoon after getting to the squadron and hearing a bird was down for critical maintenance after a pilot messed it up upon landing i was walking by maitenance control and saw through the window on the door this particular pilot (O-3 or O-4 but cant remeber which) standing by the maintenance control counter. On the other side of the counter was our warrant officer who was incharge of the material condition of all 8 of our helos just screaming at this pilot (who caused the damage to the aircraft) while all the E-7s, E-8s, and the one E-9 (maitenance master chief) that ran maitenance control just standing around watching but not saying anything. Needless to say i carried on quickly after briefly witnessing that because i didnt want to run the risk of them seeing me through the window and getting my own @$$ chewing. Officers might have the rank but the chiefs mess and warrants have the power

In front of people or in private?.... I saw a E9 SGM who was over 60 years old and had almost 40 years of federal service take apart a 25 year old O2 in public at Fort McCoy at summer camp one year....was his last year and he was one his last nerve with this one....I think the O6 talked with him afterwards but the E9 was on short time...we got back, August drill was his retirement party and his last drill was October

I have read allot of these comments and what I gather from the lot is respect. Both parties need to show the respect of the rank or position. Know that it doesn't bide well for the new Officer to be putting a Senior Enlisted to attention if they expect to have a long career just as it doesn't do the Senior Enlisted any good. Respect on both sides behind closed doors will take both parties far. Doc Gilly.

If the E9 doesn't have the professionalism to obey a direct order from an officer he doesn't deserve to be an E9 and if I saw him refuse such an order he would face charges for it.

That said, the E9 should also know how and when to properly instruct and discuss the issue as a professional in private.

My Dad, who was a USN O6 gave me 2 pieces of advice before I graduated from USNA in '76: (1) When you report to your first Div Off job, get hold of the Division CPO/LPO and tell them that you don't know squat and ask them to teach you everything they know about the Division and the people. When I was comfortable, I was to let them know that I had the con. I had the greatest relationship with the senior enlisted personnel on the ship. If I needed something, I only needed to ask. (2) Stay away from short red-faced, red-haired senior officers. They'll eat your lunch every minute of the day and night!! My first XO was short, red-faced, red-haired asshole, and yes, he felt it was his sole mission in life to make life miserable for the wardroom. There's no need to order a senior NCO to attention for any reason if there's mutual respect.

First off what is the LT doing in the CSM AO. Oh wait he is lost. A LT should never be in NCO business. They only come together in a formal setting. In the field a CSM is either with the CO or he is doing NCO business. As a platoon sergeant I personally never saw a CSM or SM or 1st SGT sitting down in a common area. AND I never saw a Lieutenant or Captain address anything with a CSM or SM. I guess its more of a common occurrence with POG's

Tell him to get the f__k outta here.

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O-1 vs E-9? If an E-9 "allows" this to happen then there is a reason and good luck to that 0-1...the nuclear fallout will be painful. But, for the most part, by law, yes. Advisable? No. I think I would rather pour cayenne pepper in my eyes than jacking up an E-9 in front of everyone.

As an MP in the Army and lower enlisted soldier, we had a saying do not confuse your rank with my authority. A CSM is assigned at a minimum of a Battalion level, An 01 the maximum would be a Platoon Leader. I can't imagine the circumstances where an 01 would be in a situation where he would be ordering anyone other than his Plt members to attention. I guarantee the First Plt Sgt that worked with the 01 instructed him in the way things worked.

I haven't seen that one before, but when I was a private in korea we had a badass csm who we knew not to trifle with. One day at the range we had a 2lt try and tell him off about some kind of range procedure. All of us privates exited the scene just far enough away so we could still hear the CSM screaming and cursing.

The way I see it is an E9 were in a conversation with the O-1 and that took a turn for the worst, a E-9 that was worthy of being called MasterChief, CSM or the other various titles would have come to attention rendered a salute and asked the O-1 to come in for a cup of coffee, where the real education would begin. Leaders applaud in public and chastise in private. The rules of the game are the same you show respect for the utensils hanging off the uniform not the years of service. I have ran into a huge amount of Officers that I had no respect for except their rank and yet it was always Yes Sir, will that be all Sir etc.

I have a seas story as well about my first week underway and my Chief Petty Officer and our new Ensign. But it pretty much goes along the same old salt stories we have all read and written.

Of course he would. The total destruction of the young officer later on would be priceless to see.

Not really relevant but....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoUkh1wpxxg

Reading these comments reminded me of this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoUkh1wpxxg

Of course by oath and rank of course but there had better be a good reason that an O1 is locking up that CSM... it is all situation dictation. If that CSM is doing something dumb and dangerous, of course.. other than that I would grab the popcorn and watch the hilarity unfold. I am looking to become an officer (OCS) and I will look to the SNCO's for guidance, they have the experience that I don't have and I would work hand in hand with them to build my skill set.

Yes

I saw it twice in my 24 years and both were train wrecks in the most professional manner!