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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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PFC Bruce Flaherty
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Yes he would; and the o-1(small o) would NEVER make that mistake again. Just a personal view point from a career E-3.
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1LT William H.
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Sometimes, very rarely, it is the CSM out of line, way out of line. And usually the sign of some pretty toxic leadership. When I was a young O-1, I came upon a SGM (not a CSM but still an E-9) with two of my squad leaders at parade rest screaming his head of in an unprofessional and undignified manner. I approached the SGM and asked him to step away for a second to tell me what was going on. He then tells me he doesn't have time for "my ass".

That was when I told this piece of shit "to get at attention when he talked to me" "he was welcome to call my chain of command" and in 30 words or less tell me what his issue was. Seems this his personal crusade against improperly bloused BDU pant legs, and having two junior NCOs stand at attention while he berated them in public was his idea of corrective action.

So yeah, O-1 locks up E-9.
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That is one of those justified moments. You took the appropriate actions first, he was asking for it at that point. I had a MAJ try and embarrass me in front of Privates before for not saluting the back of his head (didn't know who the guy was). I let him finish, rendered a salute and then asked to speak with him in private. You can bet I didn't hold back at that point. In very colorful language I explained to him that the courtesy I gave him by not doing it in front of the Privates is what he should've given me. If he needed his ego stroked that bad, there was a right and wrong way to approach it.
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AN Mike Lentz
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Has too it depends on the situation if a captain / colonel walks in or a flag officer if the 01 calls for attention you snap to it as i said it depends on situation
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PO2 Samuel Lewis
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tgechnically yes because of rank but we all know better.
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SSG David Kaelin
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I've seen it a couple of times. It's always pretty hilarious except for those rare kids who didn't quite grasp the concept. A squared away CSM is a powerful thing.

The only time that I've seen a Senior NCO deserve it was when the guy was on ROADs. Had a few of them. Even those guys, though, would rarely be so Roadied out that they'd take shit from a brand new 2LT.
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MSG Lou Wig
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2LT out ranks a CSM....
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SGT Team Sergeant
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I have seen for myself an E7 put an O1 in his place. And when it was over that Smoke was walking around like it wasnt a thing. He had an ora around him like he was the next best thing to Jesus.
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PO2 Joseph Fast
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Had an O-1 tell other officers that my Senior Chief worked for her. She had some words for her and put her in her place lol.
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1SG Charles Lyons
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He has no choice ... its in his oath of enlistment!
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LCpl William Perry
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In the Corps once you hit Gunny I see nothing but respect from enlisted and officers as well. Those stripes come with years of dedication and hard work. From E-7 to E-9 are areas of RESPECT by all and admiration by enlisted. Semper Fi!
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SGT Robert Crowley
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Yes, enlisted always salutes officers
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SFC Platoon Sergeant
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Years ago when I was a young SPC (E4), one of my friends and I were walking in front of the building that housed the Troop Commanders and the HHT barracks. Our CSM stopped us to talk about an upcoming field exercise (he was known for this throughout the Squadron). A Soldier walked by, stopped after passing us, turned around and asked why we hadn't saluted. The CSM realizing it was an officer (a CPT) went to attention and saluted as my friend an I stood at attention. After saluting the CSM tried to explain that we were in conversation and he had't noticed the officers rank. He started to apologize but the CPT cut him off, put him at attention and proceeded to "correct" the error of the CSM's ways. The CSM raised an eyebrow and stood at attention the entire time. When the CPT was done he asked if he was dismissed. The CPT said yes so the CSM saluted again and walked off. As the CSM was leaving the CPT looked at us and said "let this be a lesson to you." We headed to Squadron HQs to finish some work we were doing. After about 15 minutes we were headed towards the front door of the HQs when in walked a particular CPT from earlier. He knocked on the Squadron Commander's door. We decided to stick around. Needless to say the conversation could be heard through the closed door and it was one sided. As the CPT was leaving he passed the CSM in the hallway and apologized. The CSM never said anything to the Squadron CO. Apparently the Command Group Admin Assistant, a civilian, had witnessed the incident and informed the Squadron CO.
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SGT Motor Transport Operator
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Stand back because hilarity will ensue
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SA Tim Hyde
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If the shave tail had any sense he wouldn't show his stupidity by calling an E9 to attention in the first place, but, technically, yes the E9 would be remiss if he did not comply.
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Sgt Charles Welling
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The fact that this is being discussed is telling of today. It is much like a conversation I saw in which a warrant officer questioned saluting a 2nd Lt. Maybe the Marine Corps is different, but superior officer is not debatable.
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PFC Steven Flores
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This one time after running about four miles for a friday motivational run o e of our platoon sergeants fell out.After getting back to the battery our first sergeant chewed out the platoon sergeant right in front of everyone in the battery stretching
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SSG Lon Watson
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This is such a retarded question it doesn't bear answering. Any 2LT who tried this is a moron....and probably an untabbed moron!
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SGT Josh Pamplona
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Had this happen once in Iraq. Mission brief being given by a 1LT from the bsb which happened to be a friend of mine, and still is. My squadron CSM kept jumping in and changing what the Lt was saying, Lt finally yelled at ease, at which point the CSM gave a death glare and walked off. Fast forward to post deployment, our CSM became the brigade CSM. The LT never understood why he was getting all the shit details.
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PO2 Andy Tuzinski
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I saw the opposite as a Navy Corpsman working alongside Marines. Field Medical Service School, Camp Pendleton, April 1986. Gunney Kleinchieck at one end of the parade ground, "Lieutenant, get your ass over here now!" 2LT (prior enlisted) flashed across the parade ground and stood at attention for his chewing out.
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Sgt Gregg Danielson
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Yes the e9 would have to comply with that lawful order
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