Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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Yes, they would. After all, senior NCOs must set the example for the other soldiers. But if the E-9 was ordered to do so in a disrespectful manner or tone, it would likely end up with the 0-1 standing in front of the Bn. CO.
I've seen a lot of new officers forget that just because they happen to outrank someone doesn't mean they know more or don't have to show respect. That's why most of the best officers I have ever met are prior enlisted, usually former NCOs.
I've seen a lot of new officers forget that just because they happen to outrank someone doesn't mean they know more or don't have to show respect. That's why most of the best officers I have ever met are prior enlisted, usually former NCOs.
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I had this happen to me as I was walking into the McKellars Lodge on Ft. Bragg....IT WAS HILARIOUS!!! I think my laughing at him made him more madder!! I simply told the young LT that "Sir....This has been a very bad day...1st off...my wife told me that she wanted a divorce, 2nd...my teenage daughter told me that she was pregnant, SOOOO...I was thinking about killing somebody and I really may start with you!! The group of NCO's following him...ALL STARTED LAUGHING and one of the MSG's pulled the youngster aside and escorted him on in the lodge....my boss heard about the incident and literally fell off the tailgate of a HUMMV he was sitting on, then proceeded to look at the XO and told him to "go fetch the young DUMBASS and bring him to my office"!!! That was the first time a 2nd LT ever apologized to me!!! The kid has ended up being one of the best officers I have ever known!!!
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At AFROTC camp many years ago my PAS, an "old" (hey, I was 18 at the time!) Colonel with hundreds of hours in the F-4 over Vietnam (his second war), gathered all of the Cadets together one night and said, "Two years from now, when you have your degrees and gold bars, find some Master Sergeant to work for until that bar turns silver and you actually know something." (As an AF Brat, I had watched my Officer father threat all of his NCOs with respect, so the Colonel's words were not lost on me.)
Almost thirty years later, as a Colonel on the staff of an Army Reserve Division, I got a call from the Division CSM about something he believed I was doing wrong. My response, "Hold on about two minutes, Sergeant Major. I'll be right down." I went to HIS office, not asking him to come to mine, and he gave me a lesson, from the Senior NCO perspective, on how to do a better job on this task. Mutual respect across the board. His job at that moment, as a fellow team member, was to help me do a better job, and we both understood that.
Almost thirty years later, as a Colonel on the staff of an Army Reserve Division, I got a call from the Division CSM about something he believed I was doing wrong. My response, "Hold on about two minutes, Sergeant Major. I'll be right down." I went to HIS office, not asking him to come to mine, and he gave me a lesson, from the Senior NCO perspective, on how to do a better job on this task. Mutual respect across the board. His job at that moment, as a fellow team member, was to help me do a better job, and we both understood that.
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Being as the CSM can move every enlisted member around the bn that LT shouldn't do that end up with all the low performance types in his plt. My father told me about that happening in his bn
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SP5 Tom Carlson
I did have a new Lt. become the platoon leader. he stated nobody did anything with out his approval......... how do you think is review was 3 months later.
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I actually saw this very thing happen with one of my 1SGs and a newly minted 2LT. She tried to lock up the 1SG in front of most of the Company. UH-OH! And oh, boy!! did the sparks fly. She wound up in his office after he cleared the orderly room, calmly and collectedly, but you could hear him all the way down the hall at the other end of the barracks through his closed door AND the closed double glass doors to the orderly room! She never tried that crap again.
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Stupid subject...If provoking replies to this site by posting mostly hypothetical BS is the best that can be done, then perhaps this forum should fold. I think in the collective there's an overwhelming amount of intellectual base out here; therefore there's ample opportunity to provoke thought, stimulate the minds instead of posting crap that results in war story like replies.
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LTJG (Join to see)
Sir, you're right in the sense that RallyPoint is a very good resource with a very impressive intellectual base, but at the same time, this site is very diverse in regards to content. Not everything has to be so serious - and neither do the replies. Sometimes it's a "breath of fresh air" to throw completely hypothetical "off the wall" - "in what world" questions out there to see the reaction value. Some responses are serious, some are over exaggerated, and some are down right funny! It gets the community involved. I'm sorry you feel this forum isn't appropriate.
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CWO3 William Hanrahan
Perhaps you're right and I can lighten up. To me, having been a MSgt before I crossed over to the dark side, I can never...ever...imagine having some company grade officer treat me this way, or treating any Marine of any grade that way. Not to say that I haven't gotten loud before, and I did on one occasion as a CWO3 remind a Sergeant Major to check his collar as he was attempting to not get surly, but get uber authoritative and disrespectful. Thank you for the kind reply! Hopefully we can actually have a broader swath of agendas though with an actual "so what" that helps our brethren. V/r Bill
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CPT (Join to see) this question was heavily inspired by the most notorious question ever to be posted on RallyPoint. That and the many popular knock off questions below that.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I know I missed it- what was the most notorious question ever posted on Rally Point?
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medical spt for ROTC summer camp - mid 80s at FT Bragg, the hosting company D 82d Avn put a new kid fresh out of Jump School on arms room guard, and the following morning on his way to sleep made the mistake of saluting a Cadet, TAC Sgt saw this, called the entire Co to formation and chewed out the Pvt, telling him all the reasons that he will never salute a Cadet, #1 he outranks them all.....it was a glorious site to see.
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LTJG (Join to see)
Cadets do not warrant a salute. Until they earn their commission as an O1, they don't give orders.
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I once had a LT who said he was going to lock the heals of the brigade CSM. I quickly advised him that would be the biggest mistake of his career. Reminded him that BDE commanders choose their CSM and would fully back them
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LTJG (Join to see)
This is why prior enlisted Officers have such an easier time with certain things.. I doubt you'd find any Mustang out there who'd have the disrespect or stupidity to go toe to toe with a SNCO unless there was a distinctly valid reason.
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