Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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SSG Chris Morrison
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A story, many of which exist, about CSM Burns. After a spur ride SGM burns at the time was enjoying a beer minding his own business. A LT who had enjoyed a few drinks and proudly wearing his newly earned spurs walked over to the SGM and asked "where are your spurs SGM?" Burns showed him his 2 ACR desert storm combat patch and said "these are my fucking spurs right here." Then signaled for LTC at the time McMasters to come over. Then legend has it Willie B still has that LTs nuts in a cup on his desk.

The nuts in a cup thing is an inside joke if you know CSM Burns.
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Maj Darren Stephens
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Sadly, yes he would have to comply, but in the end, it will kill the O-1...
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SGT Mark Greenhaw
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Yes,but with a good conversation afterward
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MSgt Tom Redd
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Yes, a respectable chief still complies with orders.
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TSgt Richard Killebrew
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He'd hate it but he'd do ot
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AN Mike Goree
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If any officer more than an 02 were watching.
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CPO John Joffe
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Technically yes
But the o1 would live to regret
E9 would not donit
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SP5 Irene Holiday
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I've only seen this done once. I was station in Freiburg, Germany 501 FSB A company. Our SGM, extra cool dude, all about training! 1st Lt Said something out the way, he corrected him, Lt became mad, and put him at attention. He looked at him, for a very long time, he did it, than the Lt went off! After that, SGM turned to us, asked us to leave, and it was fireworks from there. That Lt was transfered to another company and everytime he saw SGM he would put his head down.
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CPL Richard R Rawley
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Yes he would because the officer is a higher rank
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CPT Hr Director
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Now this one of those outrageous situations but in general It's all about human decency- some sergeants major poke their nose where it doesnt belong and some LTs pump their chest out a little too much. As a prior NCO I stood at attention for all officers because it was the right thing to do and being and E-9 doesnt exempt you from those rules - if we're going to be technical. That Sergeant Major expects a junior NCO to stand at parade rest but it's not OK for a Lieutenant to ask for the respect he is warranted? SAt the end of the day show up with a great attitude, lend your fellow man a little respect, and the position you stand at when you speak becomes a little less important.
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SFC Maintenance Supervisor
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Not a chance! A great time for some professional development from E9 to O1.
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CW2 Timothy Slaght
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So would people still have the same responses if the 2LT was a direct commission and the troop was an E-6 or higher priority to commissioning?
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MSG Unit Supply Specialist
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We would hope that a Direct Commission NCO, would know better.
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PO1 Aviation Boatswain's Mate (Aircraft Handling)
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Yes, but i dont think the O1 will like the out come. I seen a CO yell at a junior officer for not learning or listening to a senior enlisted.
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SSG Charles Holleran
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I think that the O1 would benefit and learn from the E9 better if he or she would not try to throw their rank around.
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SFC Richard Caroll
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Absolutely, and later on screw with him or her forever.
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SN Rick Linscott
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Mamudiya, Iraq Nov '04. Kicking back with the CSM and another SM smoking Cuban cigars in front of the CSM's hooch. They were taking turns thundering at soldiers for various sins and infractions (real and imagined) as they walked by. The porta johns were about 30 meters away and an O-3 energes from one. He casually flops his kevlar on his head,slings his M-4 over one shoulder and his flac over the other and starts to shuffle away. Without a word, the CSM takes a quarter outta his pocket and flips it and the SM calls "tails". The CSM says "You're up Ricky" The SM roars "HEY FUCK STICK!!!Get your goddamned flac on and buckle that chinstrap!!!" Capt. Fuckstick about pissed his shorts and complied immediately and scurried off to his hooch. The SM puffed on his Cuban a couple of times, chuckled and said "Life is good"
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SPC Greg Lee
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In front of troops, sure, but I'm sure things would be handled behind closed doors with superior offcers handling the verbage....
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SMSgt Mike Wood
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Yes, If the reason was inappropriate, the E-9 would have a "heart to heart" behind closed doors. I've had 01's call out attention when the Brigade Commander enters the room.
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SMSgt Mike Wood
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Didn't finish the comment. The second sentence of course would be appropriate
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SSG Sapu Maiava
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NO, 2lt will be straightened up or get put in place by an e9
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PFC Dan Hubbard
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Yes but I wouldn't want to be the butter bar that tried it
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