Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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lol I have seen something similar
It was a cmsgt and a new LT Oh man it was fun
It was a cmsgt and a new LT Oh man it was fun
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I wish anyone less than an LTC woulda called my first Chief out #S/OChief...he would have honored it in the moment and then set everything straight
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My personal opinion is that we should get rid of that potential conflict by combining the top 3 enlisted ranks with the bottom 2 officer ranks. Promotion from E6 should be an O1, and make the academies a shortcut.
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Hahahaha, this brings back memories...DRB Qualification March, brand new butterbar shows up with a fully loaded mountain ruck. SoB must have weighed 100 lbs. Platoon Sgt. calls the LT to the side and tries to explain that the ruck only has to weigh 20 lbs (every single enlisted man has EXACTLY 20 lbs. in their ruck) for qualification. LT basically tells the Platoon Sgt. to fuck off and mind his own business.
By the end of the march, LTs ruck "might" have weighed 20 lbs., but our rucks were definitely over. LT never questioned the Platoon Sgt. again.
By the end of the march, LTs ruck "might" have weighed 20 lbs., but our rucks were definitely over. LT never questioned the Platoon Sgt. again.
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Yeah, they warn us against that at OBC, or BOLC or what ever latest TRADOC Acronym they have come with. As our Team CPT put. You might outrank that E-9, but I promise you he works for someone that massively outranks you. Most E-9s I knew, would not have violated any kind of UCMJ in any overt sense, but I know that their BDE S-3, BN CDR, BDE CDR or who ever their officer counterpart is would know about it in a hurry, and then there would be a world of hurt on that young LT. I watched an LT who was to be my replacement as I as moving out of my PL slot try to hem up the 3rd ARC CSM for not saluting her, but it was a very stupid thing to do for several reasons. 1) We were on FOB Marez in 2007, Saluting was kind of low on everyone's priority. 2) he had his back partially turned to us. 3) he was clearly engaged in some type of professional development with 3 1SGs and a MSG. We walked past, almost into the DFAC, when she turned. I tried to stop her, but it was too late. She asked why the CSM hadn't called the group to attention to salute, so he did. When we got back to the CO CP, the BDE CDR was waiting. I was not going to take that HEAT round, and found I had pressing business with the CO XO in his office. They had to find another replacement for me.
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The E-9 would because the O-1 is an officer. I'm sure a discussion would follow, but yes, the E-9 would comply.
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When I was a private stationed in HHC 44th Engineer Company, Camp Howze Korea, I was in the hallway of the Company area one day when a 2LT was performing sensitive items inventory with a soldier that was placed there to physically assist him. The soldiers Squad Leader walked in and asked how everything was going and how much time it would take before they completed the task. The 2LT said, " He'll be done when where're done Sergeant"! The sergeant said, "Sir, I was just asking when he would be done"! Long story short this escalated into an argument. The First Sergeant walked up with a smile on his face after hearing the exchange between the two and told the Sergeant to go back to his prior place of duty and he would handle the situation. Before the First Sergeant could say anything the 2LT in front of everyone said, "First Sergeant your jacked up for allowing an enlisted to question me" in addition the 2LT said that First Sergeant shouldn't question him when he's conducting business. This 2LT was known around the unit for being very aggressive and cocky. The First Sergeant calmly informed all the soldiers including myself to leave the company area. We where standing outside the building, but you could still hear what was said. The First Sergeant exploded and said "I'm the Goddam First Sergeant of this Company Lieutenant, if I want to come in and question any soldiers status that's what the fuck I'm going to do, including you". Now get the fuck out of my office, because you look like a jackass chewing barbed wire"!!! A few seconds later the First Sergeant walked off and we all walked back in. The 2LT said, what did I say wrong? and a private responded and said, "Sir, you did get smart with him with your comments". The 2LT had a shell shocked look on his face and surprisingly, the cockiness left him that day, lol!
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Any O1 stupid enough to lock the herls of an E9 doesn’t deserve to be an officer
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I served with, and was mentored by numerous CSMs and SGMs (E-9s) all throughout my career. Whether as a lowly "butter bar" (O-1/2LT) until 24 years later retiring as a LTC (O-5). Only an idiot would create an incident, regardless of today or in the "old days"... I was "Blessed" to have NCOs that, regardless of the situation, or circumstances, would "train and mentor" me in making tough decisions... fairly, and "on time". In America, THE NCO Corps is STILL the backbone of ALL THE Services. I wouldn't trade any of mine, or the ones I know, for anything...
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I believe that the call to attention should be obeyed but I also believe that the O-1 should as respect the years of service of the E-9. The E-9 I believe should request to continue the conversation in private with the O-1 and respectfully be reminded of that fact as well in case he has forgotten. In that manner there is no disrespect between ranks in the eyes of those who may be witnessing the interaction.
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But on the other hand yes that Lieutenant's life will be a living hell to the day he gets it out of or he resigns
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Yes that 9 should come to the position of attention when an lieutenant who is an officer commissioned by the president of the United States
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Had something similar happen while I was in Great Lakes. I was in my bunk on medical with a badly messed up knee and under orders from my CPO to not put weight on it. One of the recruits saw the LT come in and called for attention officer on deck. Because of my knee I couldn't move as fast as the others and needed crutches to stand. Naturally the LT notices me not on my feet yet and starts to chew me out. Chief walks up and tells me to stay at ease until I got my crutches squared away then to stand. LT did not like that order and told my chief to belay the order and immediately orders me to my feet. So with out crutches in hand I attempt to stand on my good leg, while the LT is waiting for a proper attention. LT asks why am I not at proper attention, I tell him I am unable to bear weight on my bad leg and show him my paperwork from the hospital. He looks it over and looks at my leg, tells me to grab my crutches. The whole time this is going on Chief looks like he's about ready to explode. I didn't get to witness the conversation later between the LT and Chief, but I can imagine it did not go well at all.
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Technically an E-9 would come to attention, but in reality another officer would snap that butter bar to attention.
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Yes, then he we discuss any grievances with O-6 to O-8 he works for. The L T will learn the a new understanding of respecting the enlisted branch
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Once witnessed a young 2LT at TBS in Quantici, call the MGYSGT that I was walking with to attention, due to an "improper" salute.....what this 2LT was not aware of, is that this E-9 was a multiple Purple Heart receipant from Vietnam. He complied, but not before he , the E-9 dismissed me. I stood back, out of my AO, and watched an education bring taught....there was much respect from that 2LT, following the discussion.
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