Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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Sure just because he is an officer. But I'm sure most 01 would have enough respect for E9 to not
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Short answer Yes. But the Lt./ENS has a lesson to learn when he does. Its not going to be pretty.
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Officers are considered higher ranking than enlisted. No matter the officers rank.
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I remember an old Chief of mine, who looked at the young Ensign and said to him "You know Ensign, and I'm going to call you Ensign, when I was a boy....about your age...I was taught to respect my elders..so I'm going to call you Ensign, and you can call me Sir!"
As for my own interactions, well I played rugby for some military sides and for a well known local civilian club, and I remember coming off the pitch after a match with my Division Officer/LT saying to me "Good match Chief, please remind me to never, ever piss you off!"
As for my own interactions, well I played rugby for some military sides and for a well known local civilian club, and I remember coming off the pitch after a match with my Division Officer/LT saying to me "Good match Chief, please remind me to never, ever piss you off!"
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A good E-9 would comply but take it offline to resolve because someone who has reached E-9 has done it using common sense, finesse and great leadership. For that matter, I am eternally grateful to the SNCO who saw potential in me and became an advocate to refining my leadership instead of a adversarial hindrance. His years of experience became a stepping stone to who I am as a Lt Col and I will forever be grateful to his gruff, honest assessments. I am also grateful to the NCOs that became team players even when I stumbled because they knew I still had their backs. I have worked with some amazing NCOs.
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My Dad was Navy. He regaled me once with a tale of a Lieutenant J.G who took it upon himself to dress down a Senior Chief for some percoeved infraction. Infront of junior enlisted like my Dad no less. In the midst of this, the XO who had known and served alongside said chief since antiquity likely predating the LTJG's conception. The XO leaned against a bulkhead and watched silently while the young officer continued his tirade, the Chief dutifully at attention. When the younger officer finished, still oblivious to the Commander's presence in the room, the XO spoke up finally, not to the LTJG, but to the Senior, their exchange somewhere along the lines of, "Hey Frank." "Hey Bill." The XO then told the LTJG to step out with him, not wanting to repeat the impropriety the younger officer had just committed by berating a subordinate in front of lower enlisted men. But when the Liuentenant sullenly shuffled across the flight deck to the next supply helicopter, kicked off the ship and bound for parts unknown (it was presumed Antartica), no one wondered why. The Senior Chief never lost his cool because he never had to. He didn't need the respect of the LTJG because he had the respect of someone who actually mattered.
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The CSM would comply. that is protocol. I am sure that LT would never again make that mistake. I never seen it happen. But I know as a 1SG, I would come to attention but shortly afterward, the demons of hell would be loose in the closed door office of the commander
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lol I have seen something similar
It was a cmsgt and a new LT Oh man it was fun
It was a cmsgt and a new LT Oh man it was fun
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I wish anyone less than an LTC woulda called my first Chief out #S/OChief...he would have honored it in the moment and then set everything straight
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My personal opinion is that we should get rid of that potential conflict by combining the top 3 enlisted ranks with the bottom 2 officer ranks. Promotion from E6 should be an O1, and make the academies a shortcut.
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Hahahaha, this brings back memories...DRB Qualification March, brand new butterbar shows up with a fully loaded mountain ruck. SoB must have weighed 100 lbs. Platoon Sgt. calls the LT to the side and tries to explain that the ruck only has to weigh 20 lbs (every single enlisted man has EXACTLY 20 lbs. in their ruck) for qualification. LT basically tells the Platoon Sgt. to fuck off and mind his own business.
By the end of the march, LTs ruck "might" have weighed 20 lbs., but our rucks were definitely over. LT never questioned the Platoon Sgt. again.
By the end of the march, LTs ruck "might" have weighed 20 lbs., but our rucks were definitely over. LT never questioned the Platoon Sgt. again.
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Yeah, they warn us against that at OBC, or BOLC or what ever latest TRADOC Acronym they have come with. As our Team CPT put. You might outrank that E-9, but I promise you he works for someone that massively outranks you. Most E-9s I knew, would not have violated any kind of UCMJ in any overt sense, but I know that their BDE S-3, BN CDR, BDE CDR or who ever their officer counterpart is would know about it in a hurry, and then there would be a world of hurt on that young LT. I watched an LT who was to be my replacement as I as moving out of my PL slot try to hem up the 3rd ARC CSM for not saluting her, but it was a very stupid thing to do for several reasons. 1) We were on FOB Marez in 2007, Saluting was kind of low on everyone's priority. 2) he had his back partially turned to us. 3) he was clearly engaged in some type of professional development with 3 1SGs and a MSG. We walked past, almost into the DFAC, when she turned. I tried to stop her, but it was too late. She asked why the CSM hadn't called the group to attention to salute, so he did. When we got back to the CO CP, the BDE CDR was waiting. I was not going to take that HEAT round, and found I had pressing business with the CO XO in his office. They had to find another replacement for me.
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The E-9 would because the O-1 is an officer. I'm sure a discussion would follow, but yes, the E-9 would comply.
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When I was a private stationed in HHC 44th Engineer Company, Camp Howze Korea, I was in the hallway of the Company area one day when a 2LT was performing sensitive items inventory with a soldier that was placed there to physically assist him. The soldiers Squad Leader walked in and asked how everything was going and how much time it would take before they completed the task. The 2LT said, " He'll be done when where're done Sergeant"! The sergeant said, "Sir, I was just asking when he would be done"! Long story short this escalated into an argument. The First Sergeant walked up with a smile on his face after hearing the exchange between the two and told the Sergeant to go back to his prior place of duty and he would handle the situation. Before the First Sergeant could say anything the 2LT in front of everyone said, "First Sergeant your jacked up for allowing an enlisted to question me" in addition the 2LT said that First Sergeant shouldn't question him when he's conducting business. This 2LT was known around the unit for being very aggressive and cocky. The First Sergeant calmly informed all the soldiers including myself to leave the company area. We where standing outside the building, but you could still hear what was said. The First Sergeant exploded and said "I'm the Goddam First Sergeant of this Company Lieutenant, if I want to come in and question any soldiers status that's what the fuck I'm going to do, including you". Now get the fuck out of my office, because you look like a jackass chewing barbed wire"!!! A few seconds later the First Sergeant walked off and we all walked back in. The 2LT said, what did I say wrong? and a private responded and said, "Sir, you did get smart with him with your comments". The 2LT had a shell shocked look on his face and surprisingly, the cockiness left him that day, lol!
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Any O1 stupid enough to lock the herls of an E9 doesn’t deserve to be an officer
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