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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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PFC Terry Shofner
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In all technicalities yes he must comply. But the following shit storm will be funny to watch.
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Duane Weimerskirch
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it is in the oath we take . I feel it would hold a little more credibility to the position of O-1 on up if the person coming into the officer ranks has at least an E5 befor they are commissioned. I feel there would be less of a breakdown of leadership. too many officers get a power trip because of a butter bar then end up getting people killed for stupid shit.
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PO2 Mark Wallace
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He would have to respond but I feel sorry for the LT
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SSgt Financial Management & Comptroller
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A outstanding Chief would comply for the sake of subordinates. However, I do believe that a private conversation will happen very soon afterwards.
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LCpl William Massey
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I have seen both sides of this. Hash marks don' t always equate wisdom or competency. All junior officers are not idiots. You respect the rank and not the man or woman wearing it. There is a chain of command for a reason. I once saw a First Sargent attempt this with a Second Luitenant and was eaten alive by him. Second Louie was exactly right when he said you may not respect me but you will respect this pointing to his gold bar. There are plenty of examples on the other side. The best senior NCO's avoid this kind of dust up by establishing their worth not through bluster but rather competence.
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MSG Frank Burns
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He would sat that Lt straight
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SGT DePatrick Mitchell
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It's a lawful order and should be obeyed. You don't have to like it and can report if you feel it is retaliation for a disagreement.
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COL Dallas Wurst
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As a professional NCO he should. He knows there will be another meeting in the Commanders office that will have corrective actions.
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SSgt Kent Vickery
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Yes. 2 Lt. Probably not going to like the ass ripping he's about to experience
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SFC Charles Magee
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Yes
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SGT John Goodwin
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I had a similar thing happen to me but it was a cadet trying to get me to go to attention and salute her while in airborne school and in the training area no less oh and I had already received my wings while she was still waiting to start training don't know if the story warrants further mentioning as this question is in reference to O-1's calling out E-9's.
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PO1 Keith Vasvary
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Yes, and then rip his ass in private
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Sgt Jason Beach
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The little butter bars better ready themselves for an ass beating!
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SFC Stanley Wood
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In the late 70's I saw a CPT tell the division CSM to come to attention as the CSM was chewing on his 1SG after having the MP's called to their company Christmas party three times. It didn't end well for the CPT.
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PO1 William Jones
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The O-1 is still an officer, so the E-9 would be compelled to obey his order. One thing I learned in the Navy is that you respect and salute the uniform, not necessarily the person wearing said uniform. Were junior enlisted to see the E-9 disregarding the O-1's order(s), a bad example would be set. Were this not to happen in front of other military members, a different outcome would most likely occur, but the O-1 is still an officer and the E-9 is still enlisted, so respect should still be rendered to the uniform, if nothing else.
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SCPO John-florida Killin
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That would be career suicide for the O-1, and would be commented on in his fitness report with great prejudice. However, I have always advised newly commissioned and junior officers that they are in charge and ultimately responsible. More than one officer has had his career ruined by not holding senior enlisted, including the E-9s, accountable, and when something goes wrong on your watch because of a drunk, an abusive individual, a dishonest or thieving individual, or a sexual harasser, make no mistake about it, the CO is going to hang you too. Do not be afraid to pull senior enlisted aside and give them clear expectations when you see something going on that you know isn't right. And do not EVER neglect your responsibility to document an individual's shortcomings in a performance evaluation.
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FA Dennis Prow
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I was a Corpsman (E3). One night working in the Medical Surgical ward, I had a patient began to come, VT. So I yelled to my nurse to call the code and I would rush the crash cart to the Bed Side. Of course LTJG bla Bla got upset and tried to put me in my place also claiming my patient was DNR. I repeatedly told him he was in fact NOT A DNR (do not resuscitate) so I told him to check his nursing notes and meet me at the bedside when he is ready to save his patients life. Needless to say he almost got sent to the record department for not responding correctly. Point being watch each other's backs both enlisted and officer alike. Yes we answer to officers but we have so much to offer as enlisted.
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SPC Heath Orr
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Had a 2d LT lock our 1SG up for something stupid.

2d LT spent the next few hours in the commander's office after he caught wind of it. Came out soaked in sweat.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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SGT Corey Gray
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In front of the troops, yes. He has to set the example.

But the instant it's no longer in front of junior enlisteds and VERY junior NCOs, poor butter bar's going to get his shinies all corroded by the language he's gonna hear...and if he goes running to the railroad tracks or bird...well, when he's done blushing over being laughed out of the CO's office, he'll have got the point.
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SGT Corey Gray
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SP5? WTF happened to my buckies!?
I might not have made it FAR in one tour, but I was proud of my buckies!
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SGT Corey Gray
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NM, fixed...hate signing into new sites.
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SSG Fire Support Specialist
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Slap the butter bar right in his face !
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